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Re: Motorists shun car parks in Wiltshire
« Reply #15 on: August 05, 2011, 12:55:45 PM »
i agree with you on the smoke from the people sat at the cake shop... i hold my breath as i go in to be honest....  they shouldnt be allowed right by the doorways... its not fair for those with lung problems

Yet you are happy with petrol & diesel exhaust fumes from cars & buses driving through there? These are a lot more dangerous than cigarette smoke....why not ban traffic from there?

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Re: Motorists shun car parks in Wiltshire
« Reply #16 on: August 05, 2011, 19:45:21 PM »
i agree with you on the smoke from the people sat at the cake shop... i hold my breath as i go in to be honest....  they shouldnt be allowed right by the doorways... its not fair for those with lung problems

Yet you are happy with petrol & diesel exhaust fumes from cars & buses driving through there? These are a lot more dangerous than cigarette smoke....why not ban traffic from there?

Why is this becoming an anti-smokers thread?

Smoking tobacco is not illegal. Smokers contribute £11billion to the UK economy each year, whilst the maximum estimated cost in health issues is £4.5 billion (mainly because every illness from lung cancer to earache is blamed on smoking)! And yet they are treated on a daily basis worse than junkies, burglars and other anti-social criminals. Easy target perhaps?

If all smokers stopped tommorow:

(a) the Government would lose £11 billion each year;

(b) the estimated cost of alleged tobacco related illnesses of £4.5 billion would continue for at least the next 25 years (tobacco related illnesses are long term effect and assuming these diseases are actually solely related to the use of tobacco). I would also point out that unleaded fuel (banned by the anti-lead health police brigade in the 1980's who disapperaed from the scene back to their holes in the ground when the truth came out, but was conveniently forgotten by the Government as by then they had increased taxes enough to compensate), is actually more carcinogenic than the old fuel or tobacco!!;

(c) seeing the effect of reduced Government revenues currently experienced, what other services would be lost to the UK population (no reduction in foreign aid, I assure you) with the loss of £11 billion each year?

(d) To compensate for this loss of revenue, each taxpayer would have to pay a further £6.40 per week in taxes to break even (Government figures, not mine!).

However, I agree that the inhalation of cigarette smoke is harmful (at least to the actual smoker).

However, alcohol causes a greater cost to the NHS (Check NHS websites for details), Obesity is also a major drain on NHS resources. I would therefore propose a £4 duty (the equivalent of the duty on a packet of cigarettes) on every packet of sweets, cakes, lemonade, etc to finance the cost of obesity; a further £4 a pint duty on beer and cider, and £12 a bottle duty on spirits to pay for the costs to the NHS for these substances.

Also remember, that the smokers who congregate outside cafes, pubs, etc are there because the anti-smoking brigade have forced them there!

I therefore further propose a total ban on consuming alcohol where others may be affected or encouraged by the actions of drinkers, e.g. in pubs, cinemas, restuarants or in the street.

I further propose a complete ban on the eating (at work, in public places like pubs, parks or the streets), of any substance likely to cause obesity, e.g. sweets, cakes, crisps, etc.
« Last Edit: August 05, 2011, 19:53:32 PM by Mike Hawkins »
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Re: Motorists shun car parks in Wiltshire
« Reply #17 on: August 05, 2011, 19:56:05 PM »
 ::) That has got to be better off your chest Mike!!
Is it time for your Medication or mine?

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Re: Motorists shun car parks in Wiltshire
« Reply #18 on: August 05, 2011, 20:26:09 PM »
::) That has got to be better off your chest Mike!!

Yes, but I am convinced the symptoms will re-occur!  ;D ;D
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Re: Motorists shun car parks in Wiltshire
« Reply #19 on: August 05, 2011, 20:32:28 PM »
 ;D get a stock of chill pills in at the ready!!
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Re: Motorists shun car parks in Wiltshire
« Reply #20 on: August 05, 2011, 21:02:26 PM »
Mike, at last something with which I can take issue.

Fat people only force food down their necks, not mine.

Drinkers only pour booze down their necks, not other people's.

Smokers, wherever they congregate, force the rest of us to participate in their revolting hobby.
« Last Edit: August 05, 2011, 21:15:12 PM by wanderlust »
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Re: Motorists shun car parks in Wiltshire
« Reply #21 on: August 05, 2011, 21:51:15 PM »
Mike, at last something with which I can take issue.

Fat people only force food down their necks, not mine.

Drinkers only pour booze down their necks, not other people's.

Smokers, wherever they congregate, force the rest of us to participate in their revolting hobby.

I agree that fat people only force food down their own throats, but the rest of us have to pay for their treatment, and the fact they cannot work because they are too fat!

I agree drinkers only pour booze down their necks, not ours. But, when they drive it is us or our family/friends who get killed, when they get involved in fights it is our friends/families who get injured, when they need money for the booze, it is our homes get burgled, when they get injured, it is our taxes that pay for their hospital treatment.

Smokers only congregate (in smoking areas) because the rest of society has prevented them from smoking anywhere else.

The point I am making is that these other two groups (plus drug addicts) cost as much as smokers to the health service and, paricularly, drinkers, their behaviour can be more damaging to society than smokers (when was the last time a smoker had 8 cigarettes and decided to kick the sh*t out of somebody?)

However, it is only the smokers who contribute the greatest revenues, who are treated as social pariahs. Drink problem? get re-hab (and extra DSS benefits); drug problem? get free treatment and extra DSS benefits; obesity problem?- the NHS will give you a gastric band. Addicted to nicotine? - you bloody anti-social b*stard!!

It will not change, but at least when we stop smoking and save a fortune in duty, and everybody who moans about smokers has to pay extra taxes and crys "foul", I can be a smug b*stard and say "Well, that is what you wanted".
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Re: Motorists shun car parks in Wiltshire
« Reply #22 on: August 06, 2011, 18:40:08 PM »
But, back to the original thread - Wiltshire Council in the guise of Cllr. Dick Tongue has made a complete "pigs ear" of this whole issue. However, they will not admit it and hope that by the date of the Unitiary Elections in May 2013 you will all have forgotten about this Conservative "cock up"!!

VOTE INDEPENDENT at the next Unitiary Elections (except in the case of Francis Morland - who is independent of his electorate!!)
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