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Offline Mike Hawkins

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Labour Leadership
« on: July 12, 2016, 18:28:58 pm »
I am not a fan of Jeremy Corbyn, but I think the Labour Party will do NO better under Angela Eagles!  I watched her giving her speech as to why she should be elected, and I believe she alienated herself from many Labour Party members. She referred to her stance on remaining in the EU accusing those who voted out as almost morons despite the strong Brexit vote in Labour strongholds. She also appeared on the Sunday Politics show to explain why she should be Labour leader and came across as somebody who did not believe what she was saying about her own capabilities  and appeared terrified of actually being elected. She would be a complete disaster for the Labour Party.  If anybody is to seriously challenge Corbyn, it must be someone who recognises democracy and has a more positive public image!  Just my thoughts. With Eagles as leader, the Conservatives will walk the next election!
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Re: Labour Leadership
« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2016, 19:42:53 pm »
Tory's in disarray over this one Theresa May, EU re-mainer in the favourites spot 4/6, is unlikely to hurry over the Brexit, Michael Gove, the backstabber, none too popular in the party 10/3, Liam Fox, a failed minister 28/1, Andrea Leadsom another Brexiteer 6/1, and finally Stephen Crabb 16/1, not too popular with the Gay and Lesbian communities.
None of them seem to have any plan on the withdraw from the EC, but then none of them expected the result, could be the end of the decade, if at all before Brexit is achieved.

If you think the Tory leadership was bad Michael, what on earth do you make of the Labour leadership battle. They aren't even out of the starting blocks yet and it's turning into a car crash.

How on earth can the constitution not include whether the incumbent leader automatically stands or not.

Angela Eagles constituency office vandalised.

Corbyn receiving death threats.

Corbyn refusing to leave the meeting of the national executive when requested to do so.
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Re: Labour Leadership
« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2016, 20:31:28 pm »
Real democracy Jeremy Corbyn will be on the ballot paper, Labour Party members will decide who is leader of the party, and in the event of a General Election the voters will decide what policy's they support.

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Re: Labour Leadership
« Reply #3 on: July 13, 2016, 09:48:06 am »
Another candidate has emerged now for the leadership. Owen Smith. Anyone heard of him?
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Re: Labour Leadership
« Reply #4 on: July 20, 2016, 20:33:10 pm »
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More people paid £25 to the Labour Party to register as supporters, and to be able to vote in the leadership election, in 48 hours, than the total membership of the Tory Party.
That's over £4.5 ml, Bob's probably going to tell us that they are all Tory's. But at least if they are it will boost the funds, every cloud has a silver lining. ;)

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Re: Labour Leadership
« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2016, 09:18:42 am »
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More people paid £25 to the Labour Party to register as supporters, and to be able to vote in the leadership election, in 48 hours, than the total membership of the Tory Party.
That's over £4.5 ml, Bob's probably going to tell us that they are all Tory's. But at least if they are it will boost the funds, every cloud has a silver lining. ;)
Probably not all, but some will be and they will see it as money well spent if Corbyn remains leader. In their minds Corbyn as leader pushes the Labour party further into the wilderness.
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Re: Labour Leadership
« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2016, 09:52:38 am »
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More people paid £25 to the Labour Party to register as supporters, and to be able to vote in the leadership election, in 48 hours, than the total membership of the Tory Party.
That's over £4.5 ml, Bob's probably going to tell us that they are all Tory's. But at least if they are it will boost the funds, every cloud has a silver lining. ;)
Probably not all, but some will be and they will see it as money well spent if Corbyn remains leader. In their minds Corbyn as leader pushes the Labour party further into the wilderness.
What nonsense, 4 by elections won, 2 mayoral elections won, a massive increase in membership, the Labour Party returns to its original aims.
Ask yourself why if he is such a disaster, the main stream media continue to attack him, why there is concerted attempt by right wingers to remove him as leader, and why even the Tory's want him gone.

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Re: Labour Leadership
« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2016, 11:04:06 am »
Well, if he remains the leader when we next have a general election, the proof of the pudding will be in the eating
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Re: Labour Leadership
« Reply #8 on: August 24, 2016, 10:09:17 am »
Well, a double edged sword has swung down on the Labour leadership contest. New members cannot  now vote. This means that Corbyn will lose votes as those new members who joined did so to be able to vote for him ( whether genuinely or not). The other side of the sword means there is now a chance that Labour can have an electable leader as I believe Corbyn is not prime Minister material.

On the other hand, Owen Smith is a devious little git. He is now saying he will oppose Article 50 being invoked to try and force another referendum on EU membership or a general election. He knows that to become leader and win a general election his best chance would be to get all who voted to remain, to vote for him and subsequently Labour in a general election. Surely the voters are not that naive. Are they?

Baldy sees me, as others do, as a dyed in the wool socialist. I'm not quite that but I have lost a lot of faith in the Labour party since the last general election. But I'm no fan of May either.

I might just give up on all this political nonsense and live the rest of my life in blissful ignorance to all things political.
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Re: Labour Leadership
« Reply #9 on: August 24, 2016, 10:22:19 am »
Fancy chipping in and buying an island Bob?
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Re: Labour Leadership
« Reply #10 on: August 24, 2016, 10:30:51 am »
I am digging a moat around my house as I type.  ;D
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Re: Labour Leadership
« Reply #11 on: August 24, 2016, 10:54:38 am »
Having just won an election I can tell you that on the doorstep people are fed up with the old politics, and impressed by Jeremy Corbyns honesty and integrity.
In the Labour Party having gained the support of the vast majority of CLPs and Trade Unions there is little doubt that he will retain the leadership.
The great thing about Labour under Corbyn is that it is returning to it's roots as a party of working people, it's listening to the members, 550,000 plus of them.
If anyone is unsure about that, listen to what JC and John McDonnell are saying, don't take the rubbish that is reported in the main stream media, look at the support he gets on social media.

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Re: Labour Leadership
« Reply #12 on: August 24, 2016, 10:59:30 am »
Well, I think Theresa May will do as she says. She is that sort of lady.

I think she will proceed with Brexit in her own way, which seems to be based on lining up all possible ducks in a row before serving notice to leave under Article 50. After another 2 years, we will have left. After another year or so, things will have settled down and Labour will have an unelectable leader (whoever it is). May will just wait for the general election due in May 2020.

I think the only way Labour can make itself credible again is to get back David Milliband as an MP and then elect him as leader after Labour loses the next general election.

The only real matter for speculation is whether at the next general election Labour will lose badly or very badly or possibly suffer a near wipeout like the LibDems had, with Ukip, the Greens and other parties picking up votes in large numbers.
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Re: Labour Leadership
« Reply #13 on: August 24, 2016, 11:03:05 am »
Having just won an election I can tell you that on the doorstep people are fed up with the old politics, and impressed by Jeremy Corbyns honesty and integrity.
In the Labour Party having gained the support of the vast majority of CLPs and Trade Unions there is little doubt that he will retain the leadership.
The great thing about Labour under Corbyn is that it is returning to it's roots as a party of working people, it's listening to the members, 550,000 plus of them.
If anyone is unsure about that, listen to what JC and John McDonnell are saying, don't take the rubbish that is reported in the main stream media, look at the support he gets on social media.


Virgin Rail's CCTV shows that Corbyn is an opportunistic liar and fraud. He clearly claimed that there were no seats available on the train and yet he actually walked past many empty and unreserved seats. Even the woman saying Jeremy was right is a liar. I can tell just by looking at her that she is a lying Corbyn supporter willing to say anything to help Corbyn.
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Re: Labour Leadership
« Reply #14 on: August 24, 2016, 13:13:47 pm »
i am afraid the "Old labour Values" you suggest were so valuable will not fit the demographic of today's society. Labour are unelectable and this poses a threat to the UK as there is no viable opposition
In saying that I see May as an honest, strong lady with a sound cabinet behind her. I would rather go over the top with her than the charade of a lame duck leader such as Corbyn 
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