Topic: Do we really care about Brexit

[Michael]

No Mike, I believe that the 4ml people, EU workers and Britain's living in the EU, deserve better than to be used as bargaining chips. After a year of uncertainty they need guarantees now, those who were part of these groups pre June 2016 should be given the same rights as they had prior to the referendum.

 

[Bob DeBilda]

Don't be silly. Send them all home and lock the borders!  British jobs for British people 

[Sector9]

So how do we feel Brexit is going?

Personally I always thought it was a daft move - but hey, at least we're getting that £350 million each week for the NHS....right?

Has anyone on here changed their opinion from how they voted in the referendum last year?

[Al]

So how do we feel Brexit is going?

Badly.

Has anyone on here changed their opinion from how they voted in the referendum last year?

No. Any sensible person foresaw this mess!

[baldy]

BREXIT cannot be judged until it has happened.


Listening to the critics who constantly spout confused nonsense is pointless.

[Bob DeBilda]

Listening to the critics who constantly spout confused nonsense is pointless.

It seems to me that the only people spouting confused nonsense are the people who are supposed to be negotiating.

Personally I always thought it was a daft move - but hey, at least we're getting that £350 million each week for the NHS....right?

I know you're not that gullible but some people are and that is one of the main reasons we are now exiting Europe.

[Al]

Spouting confused nonsense... you been listening David Davis again Baldy?

[Michael]

There is no doubt that confusion and nonsense seem to be the order of the day, failure to prepare for and report on any progress in negotiations has led to the remainers claiming that Brexit is too difficult and should be dumped.
The Lib Dems, Blairites, assorted Tories and Scots Nationalist claiming that democracy, ie the referendum result, should be ignored and a second vote on the issue allowed.
A simple fact is that politicians in this country and Europe have to accept that UK electors voted leave the EU and this democratic decision must be recognised.

[Al]

A simple fact is that politicians in this country and Europe have to accept that UK electors voted leave the EU and this democratic decision must be recognised.

So you believe Trump should last the full 4 years too?

[Michael]

Nothing I can do about Trump.
Nothing the British Government Can do about Trump.
Nothing the party I support can do about Trump.
Not my problem.

[Bob DeBilda]

Nothing I can do about Trump.

Probably not

Nothing the British Government Can do about Trump.

They can soften some of his decisions though. http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2017/06/can-uk-save-united-nations-donald-trumps-cuts

Nothing the party I support can do about Trump.

Not much that the party you support can do about anything.

Not my problem.

He could cause you lots of problems. Especially if you're a woman or a Mexican or a muslim.....

[Michael]

Nothing at all is the right answer.

Our government under Theresa May has little or no influence on Trump.

The Labour Party in opposition has been effective in bringing about numerous changes in this governments actions, and when elected, which could be soon, will instigate policies that benefit the many not the few.

Trump hasn't been unable to get many of his policies adopted, but he has managed to create strong opposition, even within his own party.

All this of course is in the USA, and illustrates the point I make about democracy, Trump was elected on a manifesto which he seems unable to secure.

This Cameron government gave the country a choice in the referendum, the Brexiteers offered a policy that promised the electors that the country would leave the EU, the Brexit argument won. If the government can't achieve this then they should go back to the electors, not on a re-run of the referendum, but on a General Election.

[Al]

You miss my point.  The majority vote put Trump in and here it called for Brexit. Both were sold to the voters on a lie and both have since shown themselves to be bad ideas.

I once bought a Vauxhall. I thought it was a good idea. It was sugar. I got rid of it. Should I have kept it for 4 years? No.

[Michael]

But governments have been elected on lies for years, it is up to the electors to decide how much of what is promised is achievable.
The EU has many faults and the voters decided that it was not fit for purpose, they voted leave, they may have voted leave for the wrong reasons, they may have believed Bojo and Nige's pronouncements, or they may have felt that the EU was just a capitalist club.
But the majority made up their minds that Britain should leave the EU, that was the question asked by the Cameron government, and that was the answer they received.
In the USA the majority of people believed that what Trump promised he could achieve, they like we made a decision, that they like us, must live with it, until they get the chance to vote again.

 

[Al]

In the USA the majority of people believed that what Trump promised he could achieve, they like we made a decision, that they like us, must live with it, until they get the chance to vote again.

Technically not, he lost the popular vote, just won more electoral college seats. Weird system.