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Re: Do we really care about Brexit
« Reply #195 on: February 09, 2019, 11:02:33 AM »
You cannot credibly say that The Times or City AM are anything other than quality respected journalists who publish well-researched articles based on facts.
Thats the thing with The Times. If you read it daily you'll find it allows opposing views in opposing articles, in order to try and give both sides. In yesterday's paper (not read todays yet) I can pull two articles, one saying Brexit=great and one saying Brexit=sugar.
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Brexiteer Dyson and his move to Asia.
« Reply #196 on: February 11, 2019, 13:26:27 PM »
Dyson's doing what he always does and that is look after number one.

He is keeping his research and development in the UK because he knows, and we all know, the best engineers, innovators, designers and inventors in the world are British. We are the best at manufacturing as well but with quality comes price which is why he has moved his manufacturing to Malasia - cheap labour. Look for Dyson quality to drop. He knows that which is why he is saying his future markets are in Asia where they are used to poor quality products.

Him moving his HQ to Singapore is nothing to do with Brexit. It's in line with most big company bosses ,purely selfish.

https://www.consumerreports.org/stick-vacuums/dyson-stick-vacuums-lose-cr-recommendation-over-reliability-issues/


I have been proved right. Dyson wont care though as his market is now outside Europe and now in Asia.

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Re: Do we really care about Brexit
« Reply #197 on: February 13, 2019, 19:05:15 PM »
in response to Baldy and who he looks to as inspiration, i would have to say that having to deal with M r Dyson and his massive land acquisition in the uk, he is sees, profit and takes it wherever it may laie
My two Big Guys that I give credit to to

Mr  Joseph bamford, owner of JCB. remains loyal to the uk and
Mr Frank Williams of formula 1 , based in wattage, just been there today and although Mercedes build the engine he was resolute the Williams is a UK affair.the factory is so worthy of a visit, and if you wanted a day out.... do it
I am sure there are many others, but Baldy had his few, i thought these needed to be added
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Brexit: Ford 'steps up preparations to move production abroad'
« Reply #198 on: February 13, 2019, 22:06:11 PM »
https://news.sky.com/story/ford-reportedly-steps-up-preparations-to-move-production-out-of-uk-11636480

I expect The Brexiteers will say they were already planning it.

13000 employed by Ford in the UK.

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Re: Brexit: Ford 'steps up preparations to move production abroad'
« Reply #199 on: February 14, 2019, 07:44:36 AM »
https://news.sky.com/story/ford-reportedly-steps-up-preparations-to-move-production-out-of-uk-11636480

I expect The Brexiteers will say they were already planning it.

13000 employed by Ford in the UK.


I think Ford mean what they say on the basis that if a no deal occurs and WTO terms apply, then tariffs would be added by the EU to cars imported from the UK, thus making the cars uncompetitive and harder to sell in the EU countries ... so Ford may as well move the plants to the EU to avoid these EU import tariffs.

However, I think the calculation being made by clean brexiteers who prefer a clean ("no deal") BREXIT is that the EU will quickly realise that their own car makers are being hit harder through tariffs applied to their imports to the UK .... and this will affect german car imports to the UK hardest of all .... so the thinking is that the Germans would quickly force the EU to agree with the UK a free trade deal that avoids any tariffs both ways.

In conclusion, Ford are issuing a clear warning about what would happen if there is a "no deal" BREXIT and if WTO tariffs are not quickly removed soon after.

personally, I think the UK needs a clean BREXIT to then force free trading terms between the UK and EU .... which makes complete sense because the EU sells to the UK over a hundred Billion of £s worth of goods and service more than we sell to them.

The worst problem here is that most MPs have no business or commercial sense at all and don't understand the need to negotiate hard on the basis that your own side has options including walking away from a bad deal. The UK clearly has a great hand to play because walking away will damage the German car businesses more than our own .... and it is perfectly reasonable and sensible to expect the Germans to force the EU to straighten everything up so that their current trade advantage of a huge trade surplus with the Uk is kept.
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Re: Do we really care about Brexit
« Reply #200 on: February 14, 2019, 07:49:22 AM »
in response to Baldy and who he looks to as inspiration, i would have to say that having to deal with M r Dyson and his massive land acquisition in the uk, he is sees, profit and takes it wherever it may laie
My two Big Guys that I give credit to to

Mr  Joseph bamford, owner of JCB. remains loyal to the uk and
Mr Frank Williams of formula 1 , based in wattage, just been there today and although Mercedes build the engine he was resolute the Williams is a UK affair.the factory is so worthy of a visit, and if you wanted a day out.... do it
I am sure there are many others, but Baldy had his few, i thought these needed to be added



I certainly agree with the late Joseph Bamford's son, Anthony Bamford (or Baron Bamford), who is clearly a successful and highly knowledgeable entrepreneur and BREXITEER who regularly says that the UK can easily trade on WTO terms and can agree free trade terms with the EU.

I don't follow any sports person very closely and don't see sport as relevant to BREXIT or international trade negotiations. Indeed, I think sport is largely unaffected by BREXIT.
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Re: Brexit: Ford 'steps up preparations to move production abroad'
« Reply #201 on: February 14, 2019, 08:33:14 AM »




personally, I think the UK needs a clean BREXIT to then force free trading terms between the UK and EU .... which makes complete sense because the EU sells to the UK over a hundred Billion of £s worth of goods and service more than we sell to them.



But we already have free trading terms with the rest of the EU..
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Re: Brexit: Ford 'steps up preparations to move production abroad'
« Reply #202 on: February 14, 2019, 08:38:22 AM »
https://news.sky.com/story/ford-reportedly-steps-up-preparations-to-move-production-out-of-uk-11636480

I expect The Brexiteers will say they were already planning it.

13000 employed by Ford in the UK.

Yeah, or label it as anti-Brexit propaganda or "Project Fear Mk 6 on Steroids" whilst they bury their heads in a big pile of sand with a union jack sticking out the top and Rule Brittania blaring from the rooftop dreaming of days gone by when Britain ruled the world and Atlas's of the world were mostly coloured pink!!
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Re: Brexit: Ford 'steps up preparations to move production abroad'
« Reply #203 on: February 14, 2019, 08:55:28 AM »


personally, I think the UK needs a clean BREXIT to then force free trading terms between the UK and EU .... which makes complete sense because the EU sells to the UK over a hundred Billion of £s worth of goods and service more than we sell to them.


But we already have free trading terms with the rest of the EU..


True, but this is not the reason for BREXIT. The reasons are many, not least uncontrolled immigration and the consequences for our over-run services and housing crisis plus the ability to create free trade deals with other countries around the world where the EU has not been able to so far ...
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Re: Brexit: Ford 'steps up preparations to move production abroad'
« Reply #204 on: February 14, 2019, 09:20:46 AM »


personally, I think the UK needs a clean BREXIT to then force free trading terms between the UK and EU .... which makes complete sense because the EU sells to the UK over a hundred Billion of £s worth of goods and service more than we sell to them.


But we already have free trading terms with the rest of the EU..


True, but this is not the reason for BREXIT. The reasons are many, not least uncontrolled immigration and the consequences for our over-run services and housing crisis plus the ability to create free trade deals with other countries around the world where the EU has not been able to so far ...

But a very good reason for not leaving without a deal!
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Re: Brexit: Ford 'steps up preparations to move production abroad'
« Reply #205 on: February 14, 2019, 11:28:04 AM »
this is not the reason for BREXIT. The reasons are many, not least uncontrolled immigration and the consequences for our over-run services and housing crisis plus the ability to create free trade deals with other countries around the world where the EU has not been able to so far ...
Services are over-run 'cos they are under funded. Immigration form EU countries is generaly of people that work and pay tax to fund services. Non-EU immigration is more the drain and brexit does not change that.

As for trade deals, there is zero evidence that any country is keen to do deals with the UK that they would not have done with the EU. None. Indeed as reported yesterday, more counties are pushing for better terms on UK trade deals than the UK previously had through the EU, which does not bode well for non-preEU deals does it!
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Re: Do we really care about Brexit
« Reply #206 on: February 15, 2019, 22:19:11 PM »
Well I think it’s pretty conclusive. All the arguments as to why it’s better to leave the EU have been proven as wrong. But..

Que sera sera

We’re leaving.

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Re: Do we really care about Brexit
« Reply #207 on: February 16, 2019, 03:24:01 AM »
Nonsense. I have stopped responding to every little Remoaner's whinge because it all just goes around in circles.


At the end of the day, Remainers lost the referendum. Suck it up ...
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Re: Do we really care about Brexit
« Reply #208 on: February 16, 2019, 16:24:14 PM »
At the end of the day, Remainers lost the referendum. Suck it up ...
Labour lost the last election. Lets never have anpther one again.
May won the last leadership election but yet there was another vote recently.

You have run out of reasoned argument Baldy. You lose.
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Re: Do we really care about Brexit
« Reply #209 on: February 16, 2019, 19:19:45 PM »
Right ... I have a bit more time just now to remind you why BREXIT is a good idea and why LEAVE won the referendum ...

First of all, though, I'd remind you that a normal vote is not the same as a referendum. Referendums are meant to be for major decisions and they are not meant to be repeated .... though we know that sometimes this understanding is abused by the losing side especially when the EU itself is involved.

Votes for party leaders are expected to come along at various intervals depending on the constitution of the respective parties.

In simple terms, BREXITEERS wanted to leave for various reasons (whether you agree or not):

*  To help reduce immigration from EU countries and replace the free movement of labour required by the EU with a more controlled form of immigration that focuses more on who we need for particular skills etc rather than just allowing anyone to come whenever they like. Many unskilled folk in the UK were also particularly keen to reduce immigration from the EU where they were losing out on jobs because immigrant labour was simply cheaper or at the minimum wage and so were undercutting our unemployed UK residents .... 

*  To help grow our economy faster in the long run based on better access to faster growing overseas markets via the newly independent UK (being out of the EU) being able to strike free trade deals with old friends and former allies etc across the world in a way that better suits our national heritage and buccaneering spirit. I accept this will not happen overnight and will involve a short term dip whilst the economy adjusts AND (I regret) because the MPs (most of the idiots that hold this status) have been fouling up the whole BREXIT process by arguing and bickering instead of putting their shoulder to the wheel to help get preparations and negotiations for BREXIT done.

*  To regain back control of our sovereignty .... including laws etc ......

*  To get back control of our fishing grounds so that we can negotiate fairer sharing with other fishing grounds that our sea fisherman want to fish in ...

*  To stop paying vast amounts of money towards the EU that we never get back (eg. huge subsidies spent on inefficient farming in France etc) ...

This list is not exhaustive, but its enough to explain why Leave won and why it was a clear and simple positive step for the country ..... after the mess made by the utter incompetents at parliament has been straightened up ...
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