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Re: Brexit: Ford 'steps up preparations to move production abroad'
« Reply #195 on: February 14, 2019, 07:44:36 AM »
https://news.sky.com/story/ford-reportedly-steps-up-preparations-to-move-production-out-of-uk-11636480

I expect The Brexiteers will say they were already planning it.

13000 employed by Ford in the UK.


I think Ford mean what they say on the basis that if a no deal occurs and WTO terms apply, then tariffs would be added by the EU to cars imported from the UK, thus making the cars uncompetitive and harder to sell in the EU countries ... so Ford may as well move the plants to the EU to avoid these EU import tariffs.

However, I think the calculation being made by clean brexiteers who prefer a clean ("no deal") BREXIT is that the EU will quickly realise that their own car makers are being hit harder through tariffs applied to their imports to the UK .... and this will affect german car imports to the UK hardest of all .... so the thinking is that the Germans would quickly force the EU to agree with the UK a free trade deal that avoids any tariffs both ways.

In conclusion, Ford are issuing a clear warning about what would happen if there is a "no deal" BREXIT and if WTO tariffs are not quickly removed soon after.

personally, I think the UK needs a clean BREXIT to then force free trading terms between the UK and EU .... which makes complete sense because the EU sells to the UK over a hundred Billion of £s worth of goods and service more than we sell to them.

The worst problem here is that most MPs have no business or commercial sense at all and don't understand the need to negotiate hard on the basis that your own side has options including walking away from a bad deal. The UK clearly has a great hand to play because walking away will damage the German car businesses more than our own .... and it is perfectly reasonable and sensible to expect the Germans to force the EU to straighten everything up so that their current trade advantage of a huge trade surplus with the Uk is kept.
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Re: Do we really care about Brexit
« Reply #196 on: February 14, 2019, 07:49:22 AM »
in response to Baldy and who he looks to as inspiration, i would have to say that having to deal with M r Dyson and his massive land acquisition in the uk, he is sees, profit and takes it wherever it may laie
My two Big Guys that I give credit to to

Mr  Joseph bamford, owner of JCB. remains loyal to the uk and
Mr Frank Williams of formula 1 , based in wattage, just been there today and although Mercedes build the engine he was resolute the Williams is a UK affair.the factory is so worthy of a visit, and if you wanted a day out.... do it
I am sure there are many others, but Baldy had his few, i thought these needed to be added



I certainly agree with the late Joseph Bamford's son, Anthony Bamford (or Baron Bamford), who is clearly a successful and highly knowledgeable entrepreneur and BREXITEER who regularly says that the UK can easily trade on WTO terms and can agree free trade terms with the EU.

I don't follow any sports person very closely and don't see sport as relevant to BREXIT or international trade negotiations. Indeed, I think sport is largely unaffected by BREXIT.
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Re: Brexit: Ford 'steps up preparations to move production abroad'
« Reply #197 on: February 14, 2019, 08:33:14 AM »




personally, I think the UK needs a clean BREXIT to then force free trading terms between the UK and EU .... which makes complete sense because the EU sells to the UK over a hundred Billion of £s worth of goods and service more than we sell to them.



But we already have free trading terms with the rest of the EU..
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Re: Brexit: Ford 'steps up preparations to move production abroad'
« Reply #198 on: February 14, 2019, 08:38:22 AM »
https://news.sky.com/story/ford-reportedly-steps-up-preparations-to-move-production-out-of-uk-11636480

I expect The Brexiteers will say they were already planning it.

13000 employed by Ford in the UK.

Yeah, or label it as anti-Brexit propaganda or "Project Fear Mk 6 on Steroids" whilst they bury their heads in a big pile of sand with a union jack sticking out the top and Rule Brittania blaring from the rooftop dreaming of days gone by when Britain ruled the world and Atlas's of the world were mostly coloured pink!!
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Re: Brexit: Ford 'steps up preparations to move production abroad'
« Reply #199 on: February 14, 2019, 08:55:28 AM »


personally, I think the UK needs a clean BREXIT to then force free trading terms between the UK and EU .... which makes complete sense because the EU sells to the UK over a hundred Billion of £s worth of goods and service more than we sell to them.


But we already have free trading terms with the rest of the EU..


True, but this is not the reason for BREXIT. The reasons are many, not least uncontrolled immigration and the consequences for our over-run services and housing crisis plus the ability to create free trade deals with other countries around the world where the EU has not been able to so far ...
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Re: Brexit: Ford 'steps up preparations to move production abroad'
« Reply #200 on: February 14, 2019, 09:20:46 AM »


personally, I think the UK needs a clean BREXIT to then force free trading terms between the UK and EU .... which makes complete sense because the EU sells to the UK over a hundred Billion of £s worth of goods and service more than we sell to them.


But we already have free trading terms with the rest of the EU..


True, but this is not the reason for BREXIT. The reasons are many, not least uncontrolled immigration and the consequences for our over-run services and housing crisis plus the ability to create free trade deals with other countries around the world where the EU has not been able to so far ...

But a very good reason for not leaving without a deal!
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Re: Brexit: Ford 'steps up preparations to move production abroad'
« Reply #201 on: February 14, 2019, 11:28:04 AM »
this is not the reason for BREXIT. The reasons are many, not least uncontrolled immigration and the consequences for our over-run services and housing crisis plus the ability to create free trade deals with other countries around the world where the EU has not been able to so far ...
Services are over-run 'cos they are under funded. Immigration form EU countries is generaly of people that work and pay tax to fund services. Non-EU immigration is more the drain and brexit does not change that.

As for trade deals, there is zero evidence that any country is keen to do deals with the UK that they would not have done with the EU. None. Indeed as reported yesterday, more counties are pushing for better terms on UK trade deals than the UK previously had through the EU, which does not bode well for non-preEU deals does it!
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Re: Do we really care about Brexit
« Reply #202 on: February 15, 2019, 22:19:11 PM »
Well I think it’s pretty conclusive. All the arguments as to why it’s better to leave the EU have been proven as wrong. But..

Que sera sera

We’re leaving.

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Re: Do we really care about Brexit
« Reply #203 on: February 16, 2019, 03:24:01 AM »
Nonsense. I have stopped responding to every little Remoaner's whinge because it all just goes around in circles.


At the end of the day, Remainers lost the referendum. Suck it up ...
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Re: Do we really care about Brexit
« Reply #204 on: February 16, 2019, 16:24:14 PM »
At the end of the day, Remainers lost the referendum. Suck it up ...
Labour lost the last election. Lets never have anpther one again.
May won the last leadership election but yet there was another vote recently.

You have run out of reasoned argument Baldy. You lose.
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Re: Do we really care about Brexit
« Reply #205 on: February 16, 2019, 19:19:45 PM »
Right ... I have a bit more time just now to remind you why BREXIT is a good idea and why LEAVE won the referendum ...

First of all, though, I'd remind you that a normal vote is not the same as a referendum. Referendums are meant to be for major decisions and they are not meant to be repeated .... though we know that sometimes this understanding is abused by the losing side especially when the EU itself is involved.

Votes for party leaders are expected to come along at various intervals depending on the constitution of the respective parties.

In simple terms, BREXITEERS wanted to leave for various reasons (whether you agree or not):

*  To help reduce immigration from EU countries and replace the free movement of labour required by the EU with a more controlled form of immigration that focuses more on who we need for particular skills etc rather than just allowing anyone to come whenever they like. Many unskilled folk in the UK were also particularly keen to reduce immigration from the EU where they were losing out on jobs because immigrant labour was simply cheaper or at the minimum wage and so were undercutting our unemployed UK residents .... 

*  To help grow our economy faster in the long run based on better access to faster growing overseas markets via the newly independent UK (being out of the EU) being able to strike free trade deals with old friends and former allies etc across the world in a way that better suits our national heritage and buccaneering spirit. I accept this will not happen overnight and will involve a short term dip whilst the economy adjusts AND (I regret) because the MPs (most of the idiots that hold this status) have been fouling up the whole BREXIT process by arguing and bickering instead of putting their shoulder to the wheel to help get preparations and negotiations for BREXIT done.

*  To regain back control of our sovereignty .... including laws etc ......

*  To get back control of our fishing grounds so that we can negotiate fairer sharing with other fishing grounds that our sea fisherman want to fish in ...

*  To stop paying vast amounts of money towards the EU that we never get back (eg. huge subsidies spent on inefficient farming in France etc) ...

This list is not exhaustive, but its enough to explain why Leave won and why it was a clear and simple positive step for the country ..... after the mess made by the utter incompetents at parliament has been straightened up ...
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Re: Do we really care about Brexit
« Reply #206 on: February 16, 2019, 19:50:34 PM »
You forgot to mention that great big lie Baldy. The one that was illegally (i.e.they broke the law) funded by the Vote Leave group that according to the courts persuaded enough people to vote to leave tipping the balance.

Yes, I’m talking about the £350Million a week paid to the NHS.

On top of that, referendums are not legally binding. The government  can choose, by law, to ignore the result.

The biggest incompetent in government was Cameron who actually called a referendum even though most people didn’t have a clue of the consequences of their vote.


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Re: Do we really care about Brexit
« Reply #207 on: February 16, 2019, 22:37:52 PM »
I did not forget the idea that was on the side of the official Vote Leave campaign bus, which was that one advantage of leaving the Eu was that we could then decide how we spend a vast sum of money that is currently spent in accordance with EU rules.  In fact, my last main bullet point was that we would stop paying vast amounts of money that we do not get back from the EU.

I think it is true that the exact sum quoted on the bus was controversial because it was saying that £350m a week of our money which goes to the EU, instead of being spent by the EU could instead be spent by the UK on its NHS.   The remain campaign claimed that this was misleading or a lie because if you deduct money the Uk does get back as, for example, grants to projects in the UK, the net sum available to talk about as a gain after BREXIT to spend would be much less.

When I studied it all at the time, I was confident that the £350m was a true figure for the total gross money a week given by the UK to the EU, but it was not the net figure that would be gained upon BREXIT.

In reality, what is happening here is that the details are not being spelt out and all the slogan meant was that £350m was being spent by the UK under the control of the EU. It failed to say that we get a large chunk back and then suggested that the same monies could be spent on the NHS.

In reality, the Remain campaign shot itself in the foot by picking at the details because the whole point was that a f@&$ing $h!t load of money is being given to the EU and there is a really large chunk that we don't get back. Frankly, the exact net figures are totally irrelevant and any dick arguing about exactly how many hundred £m is simply ramming home the point that no-one really understands how big £350m or £100m per week is and anyone who thinks about how large this is will be will be well hacked off that it happens (regardless of the exact number of hundreds of £ms.

Basically, the Leave campaign chose a good point to campaign on and the exact figures are really superfluous. And every time a di£khead Remoaner argues about it, they just shoot themselves in the foot further.

It was not a lie. It was a fudge designed to draw attention to the big idea that a massive $h!t load of money was being spent and not returned to the UK as a result of being in the EU, money that could be spent on other important things such as the NHS.

As for the idea that Vote Leave had any unfair advantage, the official Remain campaign was a stitchup with a large amount of public money spent on propaganda including the Government's own Project fear leaflet that was delivered to every household with a registered elector ...
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Re: Do we really care about Brexit
« Reply #208 on: February 17, 2019, 09:40:10 AM »

When I studied it all at the time, I was confident that the £350m was a true figure for the total gross money a week given by the UK to the EU, but it was not the net figure that would be gained upon BREXIT.

In reality, what is happening here is that the details are not being spelt out and all the slogan meant was that £350m was being spent by the UK under the control of the EU. It failed to say that we get a large chunk back and then suggested that the same monies could be spent on the NHS.



It was not a lie. It was a fudge

A blatant lie Baldy. everybody knows.

Anyway, you missed the point I was making in that the vote leave campaign went over the spend budget allowed by law by quite a margin and actually got off lightly by the courts fining them a paltry amount.

The same court also concluded that due to the overspend on telling lies etc. they persuaded enough voters to vote to leave thereby tipping the vote in their favour.

In conclusion, the referendum should have been deemed null and void and re-run..

As i said in a previous post, leaving with no deal will be a disater for all.
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Honda set to close Swindon car plant
« Reply #209 on: February 18, 2019, 14:53:20 PM »
Honda set to close Swindon car plant

The Japanese car maker will shut the plant in 2022 but retain its European headquarters in Bracknell, Berkshire.

Brexit is understood to be a factor in the decision, with the car maker concerned about the imposition of new tariffs after the UK leaves the EU



They obviously haven't heard about Baldy's plan  ;D
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