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Bath Clean Air Zone
« on: November 21, 2018, 11:06:42 AM »
BANES plans for the above will undoubtedly increase traffic movement in Westbury if they remain unchanged, the report of Westbury Town Councils public meeting in the White Horse News discloses.
Our MP Dr Andrew Murrison and his Tory colleague on the Wiltshire Council, cabinet member for highways, transport and waste, Cllr Bridget Wayman fall back on the "old chestnut" of a Westbury Bypass.
Perhaps in the first instance support for the people of the town of Westbury by vigorously opposing the BANES plans would be a better idea. Looking at the plans Banes have produced the small area covering the London Rd, Cleveland Bridge, is another attempt by Bath to stop HGVs travelling that way from the A36 to the M4.
In terms of pollution this makes very little difference to Bath City Centre air quality, but a huge difference to the air pollution in Westbury, and on the A350.

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Re: Bath Clean Air Zone
« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2018, 13:59:52 PM »

Perhaps in the first instance support for the people of the town of Westbury by vigorously opposing the BANES plans would be a better idea. Looking at the plans Banes have produced the small area covering the London Rd, Cleveland Bridge, is another attempt by Bath to stop HGVs travelling that way from the A36 to the M4.
In terms of pollution this makes very little difference to Bath City Centre air quality, but a huge difference to the air pollution in Westbury, and on the A350.

This is not a small area but  a significant sized area of residential properties and will have a big impact on the lives of Bath residents. Rather than oppose this scheme, Westbury should be fighting for a similar scheme for themselves. i.e. ban HGV's from the town centre.
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Re: Bath Clean Air Zone
« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2018, 17:41:27 PM »

Perhaps in the first instance support for the people of the town of Westbury by vigorously opposing the BANES plans would be a better idea. Looking at the plans Banes have produced the small area covering the London Rd, Cleveland Bridge, is another attempt by Bath to stop HGVs travelling that way from the A36 to the M4.
In terms of pollution this makes very little difference to Bath City Centre air quality, but a huge difference to the air pollution in Westbury, and on the A350.

This is not a small area but  a significant sized area of residential properties and will have a big impact on the lives of Bath residents. Rather than oppose this scheme, Westbury should be fighting for a similar scheme for themselves. i.e. ban HGV's from the town centre.
The map shows quite clearly that the area restricting access from the A36 to the A4 is a very small area, I suggest you look at the map.

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The area north of the Cleveland Bridge to the junction with the A4 is in the main retail properties a matter of 100 metres and east of the junction through the traffic lights about another 100 metres, again mainly business and retail.
This clearly shows that the aim of BANES is to restrict the flow of HGV traffic from the A36 and has little to do with clean air in the city.
Westbury Town Council are fighting to improve the traffic situation through the town and indeed sympathise with the residents of Bath but not at the expense of other communities in Wiltshire. 
 
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Re: Bath Clean Air Zone
« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2018, 13:03:26 PM »
i know its slightly off topic but the volume of traffic using the A350 appears to be more than a couple of years ago. i have had to call out the Wilts Highways in the past month due to a large slump in the road surface which when passed by heavy lorries creates  an 4-5 second vibration that causes all windows and objects on the seals to vibrate, and when empty, lorries pass, the consequence is a massive rattle of noise caused by the empty arctics.
BOTH driving us crazy
if we are to have more traffic passing through westbury then surely we could have a road surface fit for purpose.
Thankfully, i have a contact in the Highways department doing his level best to sort the issue, but if you travel through the town from warminster to the new , suicide roundabout, one will see the totally unbelievable road surface
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Re: Bath Clean Air Zone
« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2018, 15:37:38 PM »

The area north of the Cleveland Bridge to the junction with the A4 is in the main retail properties a matter of 100 metres and east of the junction through the traffic lights about another 100 metres, again mainly business and retail.
This clearly shows that the aim of BANES is to restrict the flow of HGV traffic from the A36 and has little to do with clean air in the city.
Westbury Town Council are fighting to improve the traffic situation through the town and indeed sympathise with the residents of Bath but not at the expense of other communities in Wiltshire.

Cleveland bridge to the A4 and then East up the the traffic lights IS a small area. But, that isn't the only area where the lorries won't be travelling. If they cannot use that stretch they won't bother using the A36 into Bath at all. Which means the residential area from Bathampton, all the way down Beckford road and Bathwick street will be devoid of lorries. That is probably a bigger area than the whole of Westbury town centre.
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Re: Bath Clean Air Zone
« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2018, 20:04:43 PM »

The area north of the Cleveland Bridge to the junction with the A4 is in the main retail properties a matter of 100 metres and east of the junction through the traffic lights about another 100 metres, again mainly business and retail.
This clearly shows that the aim of BANES is to restrict the flow of HGV traffic from the A36 and has little to do with clean air in the city.
Westbury Town Council are fighting to improve the traffic situation through the town and indeed sympathise with the residents of Bath but not at the expense of other communities in Wiltshire.

Cleveland bridge to the A4 and then East up the the traffic lights IS a small area. But, that isn't the only area where the lorries won't be travelling. If they cannot use that stretch they won't bother using the A36 into Bath at all. Which means the residential area from Bathampton, all the way down Beckford road and Bathwick street will be devoid of lorries. That is probably a bigger area than the whole of Westbury town centre.
But of course if you look at the map you'll see that area you mention is not in the Bath Clean Air Zone, and if you read the submission from BANES you will see that they claim the amount of traffic through this area is light.

They can't have it both ways, if the traffic is light then the inclusion of the Cleveland Bridge stretch is insignificant, but what's insignificant to Bath is still an increase of traffic going through Westbury.

One extra HGV travelling through Westbury via Warminster Rd, Haynes Rd, West End, and Trowbridge Rd, is one too many, particularly if added to the projected 280+ per week HGVs travelling to the Hills ATT Plant.

Westbury cannot accept any more HGV traffic.
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Re: Bath Clean Air Zone
« Reply #6 on: November 29, 2018, 07:56:12 AM »
Michael.
It’s naive of you to think that including Cleveland bridge is insignificant. They know exactly what they’re doing by including Cleveland bridge.
And in any case it’s not an exclusion zone, just makes it more expensive for lorries to use that route. They will have to decide which is the better option. Pay to go through Bath or take the longer route up to Chippenham.
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Re: Bath Clean Air Zone
« Reply #7 on: November 29, 2018, 09:36:18 AM »
Michael.
It’s naive of you to think that including Cleveland bridge is insignificant. They know exactly what they’re doing by including Cleveland bridge.
And in any case it’s not an exclusion zone, just makes it more expensive for lorries to use that route. They will have to decide which is the better option. Pay to go through Bath or take the longer route up to Chippenham.

The description insignificant is not mine, it is the implication given by BANES on the effect of the inclusion of the Cleveland Bridge Area in the clean air zone.

Of course Banes know what they are doing, they have tried it before and failed to exclude HGVs from that area, this is just another attempt.

It's not an exclusion zone, but it will have the effect of excluding HGVs by pricing, £100 per day, and this will result in an increase of traffic through Westbury.

Westbury cannot accept any more HGV traffic.

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Re: Bath Clean Air Zone
« Reply #8 on: November 29, 2018, 11:15:49 AM »

It's not an exclusion zone, but it will have the effect of excluding HGVs by pricing, £100 per day, and this will result in an increase of traffic through Westbury.

Westbury cannot accept any more HGV traffic.

Yes, some vehicle operators may choose to avoid the charge, but I think a majority will just accept the increased costs as they can be passed on to the ultimate users of the goods, commodities and services the vehicles provide, i.e. you, me, and Joe Public. 
I agree that Westbury cannot accept any more HGV traffic, but currently there is nothing to prevent an  increase in traffic from using what is (was?) a Trunk Route .