Topic: General Election 2019

[Bob DeBilda]

Should this arrogant, privileged, holier- than- thou Tory prat be fired over his Grenfell tower comments?

Andrew Bridgen is just as guilty as well.

Well, his constituency can decide next month.

Oh they'll return him. Die hard Tories in his constituency. I saw one interviewed last night who was a 'regular' in the con club. Comparing the conservative club to Grenfell Tower by saying if this place was on fire I would follow Jacob and get out! - prat

[baldy]

See:  https://www.costofcorbyn.com/


Wow !!!

[Shizzy]

We shouldn't be surprised. Labour has a habit of borrowing shed loads of money and then getting others to sort out the mess they leave the country in. I wonder what is more of a risk to our economy, Brexit, or a Corbyn led government?

[mojo]

See:  https://www.costofcorbyn.com/


Wow !!!

I do not support Labour, but that calculation is just made up.  The rail nationalisation figure comes from the CBI who have all but admitted it is made up, they did admit that they exaggerated the numbers and did not reflect Labours published policy.
There is no evidence of how any of those figures were calculated or how they compare to Tory spending pledges, especially as this is a conservative website "Promoted by Alan Mabbutt on behalf of the Conservative Party, both at 4 Matthew Parker Street, London, SW1H 9HQ"

Since the 2016 referendum I think there has been a greater political engagement, but with that there has also been disappointing increase in political lying that doesn't get challenged.  It doesn't matter if you support the Tories, Labour or Monster Raving Loonies surely the first thing you should ask yourself is what is the evidence to support the assertion? If the evidence used (we can all use Google) can be shown to lack credibility then you have to question the integrity and credibility of those who publish it.

Cheers
Mojo

[Bob DeBilda]

Probably because he couldn't find enough candidates to stand.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/11/brexit-party-will-not-contest-317-tory-seats-nigel-farage-says

Farage said his party’s climbdown came after months of trying to create a leave alliance with the Tories, but he felt it was time to put the country before his party and make a “unilateral” move.

He will announce on Friday in which seats the Brexit party is standing. Speculation continues over where the party will stand but it is not expected to run in Northern Ireland or parts of Scotland.

As he spelled out his general election strategy at a rally in Hartlepool, which voted 70% to leave the EU, Farage said he had concluded that if the Brexit party had stood a candidate in every seat it could split the vote and usher in dozens of Liberal Democrat MPs and, in turn, create the circumstances for a second referendum.

The mans a joke. It wasn't long ago he was quite happy to have a second referendum now he fears one ! And it wasn't that long ago he said he was walking away from politics !

Now he wants to rig the general election but has even cocked that up by the looks of it.  The sooner this chinless, public schoolboy, xtremist, xenophobic right wing sh1t stirrer is out of everyone's life the better.

[baldy]

OMG - Labour's Loony Lefties will destroy our economy if they get into power.
Obviously, they won't as most folk are really not that stupid!

Telegraph: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/11/25/labours-manifesto-could-cause-run-sterling-economists-warn/?WT.mc_id=tmg_share_em


Electing the Labour Party could trigger a run on the pound in a "sudden and dramatic reaction" on the markets, economists have said.
New research from the Centre for Economics and Business Research (Cebr) said that Labour plans, laid out in its manifesto last week, "would not inspire market confidence".
The party's policies suggest additional expenditure of around £83bn every year by 2023/24, which it said would be matched by additional revenues of the same amount, drawn from higher taxes on companies and the rich.
Among the party's plans are policies to increase the health budget by more than 4pc as well as to freeze the state pension age and nationalise a swathe of industries. It has said it would offset these measures by hiking taxes such as death duties and bringing in a levy on holiday homes. Last week the Institute for Fiscal Studies said the plans were "simply not credible".
This morning Cebr founder Douglas McWilliams said "even their maths must have tired near the end because there is a final £5bn of additional revenue attributable to 'multiplier effects'".
The think-tank added: "if elected, it is likely that there could be capital flight and a falling pound".
The comments were echoed by Mark Littlewood, director general of the Institute of Economic Affairs, who said the research "stands to reason".
"Capital is now incredibly mobile and billions can leave the country at the touch of a button. We might end up with some attempt to bring back exchange controls of some sort.
"Markets seem to be expecting a Tory win. If we do get a surprise Labour victory, it's unlikely that much of this risk is 'priced in' in the way it would be if people thought a Labour victory was a 50pc chance. So, if Labour do win on December 12 there could be a sudden and dramatic reaction."
Ruth Lea, an economic adviser at Arbuthnot Banking Group, agreed it was likely that "people will just pull their money out, that there'll just be a cash flight".
"Wouldn't you? Everybody I talk to who has any assets, they'd get their money out of the country as quick as they could.
"There's no doubt the Labour party would have to consider bringing in exchange controls."
John McDonnell, the Shadow Chancellor, has previously said the party had done "war-game-type scenario-planning" for events including a run on the pound" – comments the Labour party later rowed back on.
However, signs emerged of unease on the markets emerged earlier this month, after Labour unveiled plans to seize British businesses under its nationalisation plans. At the time, industry insiders warned that investors could abandon the country.
Labour has already suggested it would pay less than the market value for those assets – something that would hurt millions of small shareholders.
Even with these concerns, though, city insiders said it still appeared unlikely Labour would get into power by itself, with little risk priced in yet.
Meanwhile Vince Cable, the former Liberal Democrat leader, said that "no one believes Labour has the remotest chance of putting its absurd manifesto commitments into practice so I imagine the impact on markets is very small".

[jimkerr]

Thanks Baldy I been waiting for that old saying they would leave in Labour got in your still flogging the same tory stuff Thatcher did it's funny how it's ok for them to stay when the tories gives them Tax Cuts But not if they are asked to pay more to sort out our Public services that's a bad thing.

We need to Change this Country for the poor not for the rich you selfish man.

Made sure i didn't swear I HATE TORIES

[Michael]

Research from the Greenwich University.
Public ownership of rail, water, energy, buses, Royal Mail, broadband and the NHS would save the UK nearly £13billion every year, a study has found.
Research based on studies by Greenwich University in south east London, the Transport for Quality of Life and the Centre for Health and the Public Interest, has helped the group pinpoint savings to pay for a “public services upgrade.”
It found:
Public ownership of the railways will save £1billion a year, enough to pay for 100 miles of new railway track a year.
Nationalising water firms will save £2.5billion a year, enough to reduce leakage levels by a third in one year.

[baldy]

Michael
Those are interesting claims. Could you please provide a link to the source material so that we can see what type of "research" this might be?
Just mentioning the name of a Uni could mean almost anything from proper peer-reviewed research published by a bona fide Professor of Economics (or similar subject) to some drivel written in a dissertation by a Marxist numbskull who goes around looking like a punk with red mohican-style hair and happens to be the student union rep in charge of a campus bar  (That last description is based on my early 1980s recollection of the sort of utter rubbish that often existed within student unions even on a campus for serious professional courses so most students just ignored the student union ...).


Personally, I do see the benefit of nationalising the railways tho ... so I'm not saying that everything Labour says is rubbish.

[baldy]

We need to Change this Country for the poor not for the rich you selfish man.

Me criticising Labour's loony plans to trash the economy with totally unrealistic spending plans that would cause us to be bankrupted quickly and need the IMF to bail us out (just like a previous Labour Government), does not mean that I don't think the poor should be better treated.

It's a matter of hard choices. In reality, Labour always leaves government having trashed the nation's finances and so the following Conservative Government needs to clean up the mess.

The last Labour Government really did leave the worst economic mess in living memory, but I have to admit that George Osborne was a stupid Chancellor who cut expenditure so hard that he choked off the economy and allowed so many redundancies that our national debt shot up faster than it was going to anyway because of the huge structural budget deficits that Labour had set up by spending ridiculous amounts of money.

I believe that the Tory way is the most sensible because it involves growing the economy in the best way to give more employment, more pay and so the poor can work their way to more wealth whilst those who need Government help also get enough to live on.

I certainly think both Labour and Tories have failed us on the housing market by allowing the planning system to restrict development and supply of more homes too much and allowing far far far too much unplanned immigration. It's truly a scandal.

[baldy]

Telegraph:  https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/11/25/general-election-brexit-news-conservative-manifesto-boris-johnson1/?WT.mc_id=tmg_share_em


Boris Johnson’s Tories have established their biggest lead over Labour for two years, according to a monthly poll of polls that puts them on course for a majority of 80 seats.
It shows the Tories with the same 13 per cent lead that Theresa May had at the same point in the 2017 campaign with two and a half weeks to go - before her bungled manifesto launch led to a collapse in her support to just two per cent by election day.
The monthly poll of polls shows November was the best month the Tories have had since the last election with the Tories on 43 per cent against Labour’s 29.9 per cent.
It would put the Tories on 365 seats and Labour on 202, while the Lib Dems on 15.1 per cent would get 20 seats, according to the analysis by Electoral Calculus.
The hardening of the Conservative and Labour votes, at the expense of the Brexit Party and Lib Dems respectively, has also seen the number of seats where tactical voting could oust the Tories fall by almost a third from 68 to 49.
Remain United, set up by businesswoman Gina Miller, blamed the decision by the Brexit Party to drop out of fighting Tory held marginals for the decline.
The Tory poll lead comes as Tony Blair warned his own party would "pose a risk" to the UK.
The former Labour Prime Minister warned that it would be "unwise" for the UK to support Labour getting into power as he accused both the main parties of "peddling two sets of fantasies".
"Both, as majority governments, pose a risk it would be unwise for the country to take," he said.
Mr Blair, who has previously said he would struggle to vote Labour in a general election due to his concern about the party's political direction under Jeremy Corbyn, said Labour's manifesto is "the most radical ever".

[baldy]

The Labour Party's lefty loonies will soon need to offer free puppies or kittens and free holidays to keep their fantasy spending spree growing at an ever faster and more ridiculous rate ...

[Shizzy]

oh dear Nicky Morgan had a Diane Abbott moment

https://www.aol.co.uk/news/2019/11/25/tory-minister-caught-out-over-claim-to-recruit-50-000-nurses-in/?guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvLnVrLw&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAMfROjB0efYizSHsbPGQbU-vHYBn-NwDG45E12RVYRN0lZaD46WRYK_sbfuZz922zfytPpq1ssA7-Pg2L3I3z9ftXmB1q1gZTMx_fSMI2Nsu7Q7Tzx8uVYLR2a72GvA1HS9YUaSyUJwrhYuGep_E-qQ5Rew4HHIYHYTqVN5Ixx-x&guccounter=2

[mojo]

OMG - Labour's Loony Lefties will destroy our economy if they get into power.
Obviously, they won't as most folk are really not that stupid!

http://www.primeeconomics.org/articles/conservative-budget-deficits-on-average-theyre-twice-the-size-of-labours

https://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/

I don't know the political leanings of these web sites you can draw your own conclusions, however the view here is that it is the Tories that are fiscally irresponsible rather than Labour.

Mojo

[Michael]

oh dear Nicky Morgan had a Diane Abbott moment

https://www.aol.co.uk/news/2019/11/25/tory-minister-caught-out-over-claim-to-recruit-50-000-nurses-in/?guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvLnVrLw&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAMfROjB0efYizSHsbPGQbU-vHYBn-NwDG45E12RVYRN0lZaD46WRYK_sbfuZz922zfytPpq1ssA7-Pg2L3I3z9ftXmB1q1gZTMx_fSMI2Nsu7Q7Tzx8uVYLR2a72GvA1HS9YUaSyUJwrhYuGep_E-qQ5Rew4HHIYHYTqVN5Ixx-x&guccounter=2

Difficult for any Tory to make a sense of this.
https://www.facebook.com/185180654855189/photos/a.389966974376555/2880177682022126/?type=3&eid=ARDf2mesRYPqhgv59kmlZoV3rsMA9t1KEES7xHUFkNYf39Eej8pf8yLjG2Q6LrOEY8CqhY6es6uAr5oK&__xts__%5B0%5D=68.ARCkNw7FM4JIbR1qglXjfadEuvoQ7ParOdokDp3almaxiQaDgIxoGA0ljoOg7yB5_4zVoQ0ABwPCkOebDBRL-p7cNYaM53hH312Be3zgzQYcqX1w5It-qChiH-B2Q7sRIumCcqR5D-gR7ax5fP75kKafwW1jF9QUAPYNCw-eQHvQwHS_TsGxpPJpUJvCikIYL0lXj-sfprboc0XmpMBfyXeQ9WQ4jrN-CVvxDbtL1hf2MreZQGNTDgpIfkVyy_H3viqVvZM6BJu54cwpxAGtcRMJN8HdNa6RMoeMPKB8Z2LtsQDy5KpiUW5WManDRw36Nj4q_szz9MB5uol_xFMwrGOnhw&__tn__=EEHH-R