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Re: General Election 2019
« Reply #120 on: January 06, 2020, 17:05:41 PM »
Doing some more research on the WHO website https://www.who.int/gho/mental_health/suicide_rates/en/

What is strange is that the top 7 countries in Maxi's list all have higher suicide rates than the UK ( all numbers are per 100,000 population)

1. Finland  20.8
2. Denmark 13.2
3. Norway 13.6
4. Iceland 21.7
5. Netherlands 12.9
6. Switzerland 15.8
7. Sweden 15.8


UK - 11.9
Your figures refer to 2017 and have now been updated, the UK figure now stands at 17.2 per 1000 as of September 2019, which puts this country amongst the highest in Europe.
Conversely in Finland the latest figure puts the country at 22nd in the world, the link below explains this drop, it was the result of actions by the Finnish government.

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwj3s9CEu-_mAhWrURUIHZiHCKIQFjAAegQIBBAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thejakartapost.com%2Flife%2F2019%2F04%2F13%2Ffinland-from-suicide-hotspot-to-worlds-happiest-country.html&usg=AOvVaw0ovXs_HHsrwEJFQwcxz7Lc

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Telegraph Sketch: Rebecca Long Bailey is the worst candidate, so she'll win...
« Reply #121 on: January 07, 2020, 18:01:27 PM »
Rebecca Long Bailey is the worst choice Labour could make. So she’s bound to win

Telegraph:  https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/01/07/rebecca-long-bailey-worst-choice-labour-could-make-bound-win/?WT.mc_id=tmg_share_em


Funny how things turn out. In the leadership contest of 2020, the Labour Left find themselves in the exact same position as Labour moderates did in the leadership contest of 2015. Dazed from an unexpectedly heavy election defeat; devoid of new ideas; and with precisely zero stand-out candidates from their side of the party.

Which is why they’re having to make do with one as drab as Rebecca Long Bailey. Then again, maybe the drabness is the appeal. After all, many on the Left are convinced that Labour only lost the election because of media attacks on Jeremy Corbyn’s character. “Well, they won’t be able to attack Becky Long Bailey’s character! Because she hasn’t got one!”

Even more importantly, though, she remains ardently loyal to the man most Labour party members still revere. This morning the shadow business secretary went on the Today programme to launch her leadership campaign. And, although she accepted that Labour had just had “one of our worst electoral defeats on record”, she wouldn’t say a word against the leader who’d delivered it.

“I supported Jeremy!” she cried, defiantly. “I still support Jeremy!” Yes, still. In fact, listening to her rave about Mr Corbyn (“The right man… Moral integrity… Some of the most exciting policies we’ve seen in a generation…”), it became increasingly unclear why she was standing for the leadership at all, rather than calling for his re-election.

“Did Jeremy Corbyn get anything wrong?” asked a bemused Martha Kearney. “Did he get it wrong on antisemitism?”

“We weren’t strong enough on antisemitism,” replied Ms Long Bailey firmly. (“We”, you note – not “he”. Not the sainted Jeremy.)

Still, even if she didn’t disagree with Mr Corbyn, she did at least disagree with one part of his manifesto. She’d always known it was a mistake, she said, to offer a second referendum on Brexit.
She’d warned the rest of the shadow cabinet that “those who were in Leave communities like myself” were against it. This was why she’d always been “very focused” on arguing that Labour would “get a good deal”, rather than stop Brexit.

Which was interesting. Because in October last year, before the election was called, Ms Long Bailey told the BBC that she wanted a second referendum. Previously, she admitted, she’d opposed the idea – but since then, she’d “been on a journey”.

Luckily, it seems she booked an open return.

Will the inconsistency matter? Probably not. At least, no more than the drabness, or the banality, or that monotonous insistent whine, like a bluebottle struggling to negotiate a window. What will most likely matter, to the people choosing the next Labour leader, is that Ms Long Bailey is fully behind the current one. Under her, she’s promised a Left-wing magazine, there will be no return to “the Tory-lite policies that held our party back before Jeremy”. This afternoon she told ITV that she would award Mr Corbyn’s leadership “10 out of 10”.

The Labour Left have held their period of reflection. They’ve looked themselves in the mirror. They’ve searched their souls. And they’ve concluded that they were right all along.
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Rebecca Long Bailey is the worst choice Labour could make. So she’s bound to win

Telegraph:  https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/01/07/rebecca-long-bailey-worst-choice-labour-could-make-bound-win/?WT.mc_id=tmg_share_em




Unfortunately I agree. The Labour party has lost its way and now we have Trump's cousin Boris as PM! Never thought I would see the day!
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Re: General Election 2019
« Reply #123 on: January 08, 2020, 09:48:29 AM »
Much of the problem id s that many in the Labour party are in total denial about why they lost so badly in the GE. They DID NOT win the argument, had they done so they would not have suffered their worst defeat in almost living memory.

It's a shame because we do need a strong, competent opposition to hold the government to account.
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Labour Leadership Contest - It's getting interesting ..... zzz ... zzz ... zzz
« Reply #124 on: January 13, 2020, 21:55:29 PM »
And the crowd goes wild again ...

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Re: General Election 2019
« Reply #125 on: January 14, 2020, 09:48:55 AM »
Will be interesting to see how this plays out, Champagne Socialist Sir Kier Starmer appears the front runner, but Momentum is backing Champagne Socialist Rebecca Long-Baily. Not convinced either will be able to turn around Labour's fortunes.
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Re: General Election 2019
« Reply #126 on: January 14, 2020, 09:52:37 AM »
I think the Momentum members outnumber the rest in the Labour Party membership so they will decide the matter based on their own narrow view.


So,     Momentum - for the few, not the many     =    Labour  -  for the few, not the many
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Re: General Election 2019
« Reply #127 on: January 14, 2020, 10:24:29 AM »
I think you are right, Momentum appears to be running the Labour party, which is one reason why they did so disastrously in the GE.  The Labour leadership think that Momentum is speaking for "the man on the street" Labour voter when all they are doing is pushing their Marxist agenda. Until Labour can free themselves of Momentum they have little chance in winning back the bulk of the Labour vote they lost.
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Re: General Election 2019
« Reply #128 on: January 14, 2020, 10:36:45 AM »
Don't know why it bothers you all so much.

There wont be a General Election for another 5 years (unless BoJo really fecks up - which is likely) and in that time the Labour leadership could and probably will change several times.
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Re: General Election 2019
« Reply #129 on: January 14, 2020, 10:44:42 AM »
My observation of the Labour Party is that it tends to stick by its leaders - useless or not - at least until they've had a chance to lead the party through an election.  Normally, their leader then resigns after an election failure - though Corbyn was an exception in 2017 when he and his supporters thought they had won a moral right to keep going after he managed to get Treasonous May to lose her majority.

In reality, that was her total failure to lead at all or to fight the election with any sensible or normal approach rather than any brilliance on the part of (even more Traitorous) Corbyn.

So, I very much doubt that the Labour Party would change leaders again unless there is a resignation and these normally come after an election defeat.

I doubt if BoJo The Boss would muck things up at all now, because he is surrounded by super capable folk /advisers and all he is now doing is delegating and acting as a figurehead, which suits him perfectly.
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Re: General Election 2019
« Reply #130 on: January 14, 2020, 10:50:15 AM »
Don't know why it bothers you all so much.

There wont be a General Election for another 5 years (unless BoJo really fecks up - which is likely) and in that time the Labour leadership could and probably will change several times.

It bothers me if we end up with a useless opposition party. Every government needs a strong opposition.
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Re: General Election 2019
« Reply #131 on: January 14, 2020, 10:53:52 AM »
My observation of the Labour Party is that it tends to stick by its leaders - useless or not - at least until they've had a chance to lead the party through an election.  Normally, their leader then resigns after an election failure - though Corbyn was an exception in 2017 when he and his supporters thought they had won a moral right to keep going after he managed to get Treasonous May to lose her majority.

That was because the leadership thought they won it, well you would have thought so the way they were talking.
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Re: General Election 2019
« Reply #132 on: January 14, 2020, 10:59:42 AM »
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Re: General Election 2019
« Reply #133 on: January 14, 2020, 11:46:25 AM »


I doubt if BoJo The Boss would muck things up at all now, because he is surrounded by super capable folk /advisersPuppeteers and all he is now doing is delegating and acting as a figureheadpuppet, which suits him perfectly.
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Re: General Election 2019
« Reply #134 on: January 14, 2020, 12:42:22 PM »
I think the Momentum members outnumber the rest in the Labour Party membership so they will decide the matter based on their own narrow view.


So,     Momentum - for the few, not the many     =    Labour  -  for the few, not the many
Fact Check.
As of 2019 the labour party membership was 500,000 plus Momentum membership stood at 40,000.