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What shops would you like to see
« on: February 02, 2020, 10:08:15 am »
There has been lots of discussion on here about the shops in Westbury. Personally I don't think we are too badly off and have a pretty good range considering our size and location. What type of shop do you think we are missing?

We do have a lot of charity shops, too many in my view, but this is a national issue and I think down to the reduced rates they pay. This is something I think any government needs to look at.

We could do with a decent sized newsagent incorporating a post office counter, or two. McColls is just too small, and may well be going anyway.

I would like a deli, we had one in Maristow Street, used it quite a bit but closed, probably due to high rent/rates.

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Re: What shops would you like to see
« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2020, 10:44:06 am »
Rents for shops do not get any lower than they are in Westbury. So any talk about rents being too high in Westbury is to simply confirm that there is no understanding of what makes a retail business in Westbury tick. Rents in Westbury are at rock bottom compared to other retail centres.

I thought that there is a deli counter in Morrisons. I can't see any independent shop in Westbury competing succesfully against any big supermarket chain because they just won't have the turnover to buy stock at cheap enough prices.

Most folk just do not understand the way the retail market works. You can't look at a High Street and think that just because a type of shop is missing that there is an opportunity for a shop to come along to fill the perceived gap.

You need to look at where current residents are doing their shopping. In Westbury's case it is mostly in Trowbridge, Warminster, Frome and Bath, with some happening in Westbury itself plus a few other places where some folk happen to work such as Chippenham, Swindon, Salisbury, Bristol and even Bournemouth etc.  You then need to consider whether those existing shops in nearby towns would gain any economic benefit from opening another branch in Westbury given that this might mean losing turnover from their existing branches - in almost every case the chains just won't come to Westbury because they would make a loss overall rather than more profit.

In the case of major supermarkets, the economics work a bit differently and almost any supermarket chain would come to Westbury if it could find a site upon which planning permission is possible for another supermarket. Planning rules exist to cap the total floor area for supermarkets in any location. Westbury is at its limit and so there will be no more supermarkets or supermarket expansions in Westbury for a long time.

Independent shops that are not simply providing a small local service (hairdressers, estate agents etc) tend to open in Westbury where the owner probably has no idea about the scale of the mistake they are making or because the rent and outgoings are so low to start with that they can afford to test whether it works and then close the shop if they decide they can't afford all the losses any more.  Sometimes, independents actually are appreciated in Westbury so they struggle on ...

At the end of the day, Westbury will never have a shopping system that other towns of the same size tend to have because it has such a small hinterland and three other larger towns are nearby and are simply sucking custom away. This cannot be overcome and the situation will simply carry on getting worse especially as more shopping will increasingly happen online.

I think the only way that things in Westbury could improve is if the Morrisons is reconfigured so that the main entrance is in the High Street itself so that the supermarket and the High Street work with one joined up mall and car park.  This will need a developer who believes in the project to drive it along. There is simply no-one within the relevant local councils with the understanding or finance to make any progress. They will simply attend courses and seminars that talk utter nonsense with examples using other towns with different circumstances to Westbury (eg. a much larger population with a much larger hinterland as well - eg. Frome).
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Re: What shops would you like to see
« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2020, 11:22:22 am »
I entirely agree with the previous post, Russel's analysis is entirely correct, Westbury therefore has to look at other ways to develop and bring business into the town, encouraging service suppliers, and making it easier to get to and from the outlying housing estates and the railway station without having to use the car.
These and other issues are currently being discussed and considered by the Westbury Town Council Neighbourhood Plan Working Groups all meetings are open to the public and in need of contributions from Westbury people.
Have a look at the WTC https://www.westburytowncouncil.gov.uk/ click on neighbourhood plan select your interest and let the group know your opinion and if your able join some of them in trying to make Westbury a better place.

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Re: What shops would you like to see
« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2020, 17:24:02 pm »
I think all councils need to get a grip of the lack of cycle paths. Trowbridge council, for instance, have declared a 'Climate Emergency' yet have failed to do very basic and cheap things to aid cyclist getting into town. A good example is the very wide footpath between Gloucester Road and Pitman Ave. Cyclists are currently forbidden from using this, despite the fact it is wider than most cycleways. There is then a no entry sign preventing cyclists from heading towards the town from the path. Two simple changes would make a huge difference.

Maybe Westbury council could consult with Sustrans to help make cycling easier for the good folk of Westbury
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Re: What shops would you like to see
« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2020, 17:33:14 pm »
Whilst I'm on my soapbox, the new estate on the Trowbridge Road barely has foot access to the town let alone a cycleway!
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Re: What shops would you like to see
« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2020, 21:45:55 pm »
We've discussed this issue before in this forum, though I'm not sure which thread was involved.

WC refused the planning application on several grounds but the developers appealed and won permission despite the deficient layout and lack of pavement on the right side of the road.

WC has asked the developer to add a pavement but there is no obligation ...

Blame the Planning Inspector who ignored WC and all the objectors (including WTC) to the scheme.
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Re: What shops would you like to see
« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2020, 08:32:31 am »
Not blaming the town council,  but it grips my sh!t that everyone is banging on about climate change, and there are easy quick hits that all levels of government are failing to deal with.
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Re: What shops would you like to see
« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2020, 14:41:04 pm »
Whilst I'm on my soapbox, the new estate on the Trowbridge Road barely has foot access to the town let alone a cycleway!

I think you are getting confused between a sensible person and the planners at Wiltshire council...
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Re: What shops would you like to see
« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2020, 16:05:50 pm »
Whilst I'm on my soapbox, the new estate on the Trowbridge Road barely has foot access to the town let alone a cycleway!

I think you are getting confused between a sensible person and the planners at Wiltshire council...
To be fair to the planners developers often buy the land with planning permission and in many cases ignore the original conditions of the approved plan.

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Re: What shops would you like to see
« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2020, 16:55:55 pm »
Whilst I'm on my soapbox, the new estate on the Trowbridge Road barely has foot access to the town let alone a cycleway!

I think you are getting confused between a sensible person and the planners at Wiltshire council...
To be fair to the planners developers often buy the land with planning permission and in many cases ignore the original conditions of the approved plan.

Exactly, there needs to be legislation forcing developers to do more to create decent infrastructure not only on the estate they are building but also to contribute to improving infrastructure in the locality.
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Re: What shops would you like to see
« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2020, 04:02:23 am »
Developers are already forced to contribute to local infrastructure via "planning gain" and a lot of caselaw exists to determine how much is payable.

The real problem is that the amounts to be paid by developers are now at levels which mean that land with planning permission prices have fallen in real terms to the point where most of the land negotiations are now about the cost of the development and whether it is profitable at all. A lot of the negotiation involves pre-application negotiations with planning officers (and even the local unitary councillors) on what the priority is for any infrastructure contributions.

A lot of the planning gains tend to be spent on social homes (eg. typically 30% - 40% of the houses need to be built and handed over to housing associations for free) and lump sums for local schools plus the occasional contribution to OTHER nearby infrastructure.

The reality is that developers are being squeezed to the point where they are taking a gamble every time they start a new development on whether there will be any actual profit at all ... and so this leads to constant attempts to appeal permissions to change the planning conditions  and it also results in only a few homes being built at a time so that construction can suddenly halt if the economy softens or goes into recession.

Think about it - the developers are being told to give away social housing for free. It is one of the reasons house prices are so ridiculously expensive compared to local wages ...
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