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Are you concerned about cement works emissions?
« on: July 31, 2008, 18:33:13 PM »
Are you concerned about cement works emissions?
 
I put down the item on the Agenda of the town council meeting on 7th July as follows:
 
"To consider the fact that the LaFarge cement works in Westbury has been issued with a written warning by the Environment Agency for exceeding its permitted limits in its emissions of dioxins and furons on one occasion earlier this year, and to request and / or receive a full explanation and reassurance from the management at La Farge that they are doing their best to avoid any further breach of the limits. Cllr R Hawker to present this item". 

I also contacted Jim Cross, Works Manager at Lafarge, to invite him to come along. He accepted straight away and came to give a presentation to everyone.
 
I also rang David Levy to invite him along as a local expert campaigner for cleaner air. David gave an interesting speech.
 
The outcome of the council debate was that we basically were happy with what Lafarge had to say about the incident earlier in the year and that it did not present any extra threat to local public health.
 
HOWEVER, I gave a long speech when I explained that there is another issue we should be looking at.  This is the fact that all the scientific calculations for determining the safe and acceptable level of pollutants in the emissions assume that the plume from the smoke stack dissipates into the atmosphere before reaching ground level. In other words, it is assumed that by the time anything reaches people on the ground it is already very diluted. BUT, sometimes the smoke and steam "plume" does go downwards instead of upwards. Under certain atmospheric conditions, when the wind is in the right direction and speed, the plume goes straight down and reaches the ground in a fairly undiluted form in parts of Westbury such as Studland Park and Newtown.
 
People have contacted me saying that at night during the Summer when their windows are open they sometimes wake up with a strong sulphuric smell in their bedroom.
 
The point is that no research has been done on whether this situation poses additional risks for people in the plume when it grounds like this.
 
I suggested that extra monitoring is required.
 
I therefore proposed that we call a special town council meeting, which is fully open to the public with the Mayor able to allow people to speak at any relevant time in the discussion, to discuss this issue.
 
I specifically asked that the following are invited to attend:
 
Lafarge
Environment Agency (which is the official regulatory authority for Lafarge emissions)
Primary Care Trust
Health Protection Agency
West Wiltshire District Council's chief Environmental Health Officer (who is responsible for local air quality monitoring).
 
This was voted through unanimously.
 
It will be an interesting public meeting, which the Mayor is expected to call in early - mid September as soon as all the invitees confirm that they can attend all at the same time.
 
Cllr Russell Hawker
 
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Re: Are you concerned about cement works emissions?
« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2008, 18:49:48 PM »
the problem with the chimney is it a red herring to the sulpher people can taste in the air, that comes from the kiln and hoppers from the works, usually from spillages of plant and machinery. That is what people should check and test for

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Re: Are you concerned about cement works emissions?
« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2008, 18:55:50 PM »
the problem with the chimney is it a red herring to the sulpher people can taste in the air, that comes from the kiln and hoppers from the works, usually from spillages of plant and machinery. That is what people should check and test for

I partly agree with you in the sense that one additional source of air-borne pollutants is the occasional dust cloud from other parts of the works such as when a spillage occurs and toxic gasses escaping directly from the kilns.
 
But, the primary source of pollutants into the air is via the smoke stack.
 
In any event, the proposal is to undertake air-monitoring on the ground to see what is happening at ground level in places such as Studland Park.
 
At the moment, all the monitoring is done inside at the bottom of the stack before the emissions actually are emitted.
 
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Re: Are you concerned about cement works emissions?
« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2008, 18:57:01 PM »
Ah, I've just realised who you are Mr Hawker. You're the councillor chappy!

 

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Re: Are you concerned about cement works emissions?
« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2008, 18:58:26 PM »
Ah, I've just realised who you are Mr Hawker. You're the councillor chappy!

I am one of 20 councillors in Westbury, but I'm not sure I am "The Councillor".
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Re: Are you concerned about cement works emissions?
« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2008, 18:59:35 PM »
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Ah, I've just realised who you are Mr Hawker. You're the councillor chappy!
Funny i thought you had just moved to the area ???
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Re: Are you concerned about cement works emissions?
« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2008, 19:18:24 PM »
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Ah, I've just realised who you are Mr Hawker. You're the councillor chappy!
Funny i thought you had just moved to the area ???

A few months ago.


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Re: Are you concerned about cement works emissions?
« Reply #7 on: July 31, 2008, 20:08:04 PM »
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At the moment, all the monitoring is done inside at the bottom of the stack before the emissions actually are emitted.
 

would have thought that emissions should be monitored from around other 2hotspots" around town....  the nearest high points..... nearest housing estate ect..
all ikow i that when i lived in bremmeridge rd my back garden  backed onto bratton road and at certain times our property and cars were covered ina thick creamy dust... i was diagnosed with asthma along with a son AND i also lost a son due to acute bronchhial asthma while we were living there.. event he doc said he was a very fit boy as he hadnt been to docs apart from his injections since he was born.....
 i know what i know...and what i think .. its not hereditory like ruh tried to tell me.... i had nnly  been recently diagnosed with it myself..when we moved there... until then neither me nor my kids had asthma.... makes you question certain t hings.... out of 4 kids  1 died and 2 got asthma  while living nearish  to site

so  i guess im saying yes maybe mmore rigerous tests should be done
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Re: Are you concerned about cement works emissions?
« Reply #8 on: July 31, 2008, 20:22:10 PM »
...  would have thought that emissions should be monitored from around other 2hotspots" around town....  the nearest high points..... nearest housing estate ect..
all ikow i that when i lived in bremmeridge rd ... out of 4 kids  1 died and 2 got asthma  while living nearish  to site

I agree that some ground level monitoring needs to be done at the most relevant points such as a the well-known hotspots like Newtown etc.
 
Unfortunately, when someone contracts an illness or disease related to the respiratory tract, there is often no proof of what exactly caused the problem because it could be due to all sorts of reasons.
 
I did suggest earlier this year that it would be a good idea to establish whether Westbury has any unusual levels of any disease before anyone stirs up more health fears about Lafarge emissions.
 
The White Horse News ran an article which said that the Primary Care Trust has looked at the statistics supplied by local doctors which shows that Westbury actually has a below average level of asthma compared to nearby surrounding towns.
 
Of course, asthma could be caused by all sorts of local airborne particles such as traffic fumes and oil-seed rape.
 
The object of the proposed ground-level monitoring in hotspots in Westbury (where the Lafarge plume grounds most) is to find out if there is anything else going on which should then be studied more closely.
 
We know that the plume smells, but we also need to know whether the levels of toxic gasses at the time are significant or not.
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Re: Are you concerned about cement works emissions?
« Reply #9 on: July 31, 2008, 20:26:20 PM »
no names but a doc  local told me when my son died that t hey were actually seeing a  higher level or respiretory illnesses ..children adn adults.....  mind you that was 1994

things and  ideas change over the years

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Re: Are you concerned about cement works emissions?
« Reply #10 on: July 31, 2008, 20:28:56 PM »
no names but a doc  local told me when my son died that t hey were actually seeing a  higher level or respiretory illnesses ..children adn adults.....  mind you that was 1994

things and  ideas change over the years

I'm sure you are right, but the increase in asthma is a UK-wide if not worldwide trend, not least due to traffic fumes in congested towns and more oil-seed rape and other similar crops being grown all over the place.
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Re: Are you concerned about cement works emissions?
« Reply #11 on: July 31, 2008, 20:41:15 PM »
A lot of respiratory problems can also be related to peoples perfume/deodorants/air sprays etc etc.
Is it time for your Medication or mine?

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Re: Are you concerned about cement works emissions?
« Reply #12 on: July 31, 2008, 20:43:45 PM »
yes youre right

mine is triggered my smells and stress

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Re: Are you concerned about cement works emissions?
« Reply #13 on: July 31, 2008, 20:44:14 PM »
A lot of respiratory problems can also be related to peoples perfume/deodorants/air sprays etc etc.

And animal fur. I am highly allergic to cats.


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Re: Are you concerned about cement works emissions?
« Reply #14 on: July 31, 2008, 21:01:29 PM »
Some years ago I worked with a woman who knew that a certain perfume would have adverse effects on me, so , this very nice person decided to wear it and we worked opposite each other. I was suffering- coughing, nose and eyes running so went to the toilet and got a spray and sprayed it  between us-I couldn't smell her perfume but SHE didn't like the smell of the spray and had the nerve to complain. lol, not funny at time though.
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