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Title: New Housing Development next to Sandhole Lane Westbury Leigh
Post by: Maxi on September 25, 2020, 17:31:27 PM
A New Development of houses, is being proposed, on the letter received by Gordon King, for 70 houses in the fields next to sandhole lane, In Westbury Leigh, I thought our local council was opposed to this side of Westbury being developed for housing.

Please see the attached letter and map showing where the new housing will be.
Title: Re: New Housing Development next to Sandhole Lane Westbury Leigh
Post by: baldy on September 25, 2020, 18:38:38 PM
This is the first I've heard of this, but I am not the Wiltshire Councillor for that part of Westbury and Gordon is.  Perhaps Gordon has received advanced warning or advice from the planning consultant as a matter of courtesy - this does happen sometimes when controversial applications are brought to the attention of the local Wiltshire Councillor to see how hostile or supportive they are going to be before the application and its PR strategy are implemented.

In any event, this land is definitely outside the housing policy boundary ("Settlement Boundary") for Westbury, as defined in the adopted Local Development Plan,  and as such could not get planning permission UNLESS the developer proves that the West and North Wiltshire Housing Market Area does not have an adequate pipeline of development land for 5 years (the five-year development pipeline).

Unfortunatly, a few months ago, the outcome of a planning appeal in Purton (near Swindon) - amongst other points - suggested that the current pipeline is deficient as it is only for about 4.7 years or so .... so if a developer suddenly got an application in right now before anyone else on land outside the settlement boundaries and it is deemed to be on sustainable land (ie. connects to an existing estate .... this one will) and if there are no serious highway objections (from the highway officers really - not what the general public thinks ) it will be permitted - if not to start with by WC then on appeal.

The only way to defend this is to prove to WC that it does have a 5 yerar supply.

Better brains than mine know all about the housing development pipeline in Wiltshire and I am advised that actually - though senior officers at WC fail to acknowledge this for some bizarre reason (perhaps to sacrifice Westbury and other places so as to defend other places later) - Wiltshire's North and West Housing Market Area DOES IN FACT HAVE A 5 YEAR PIPELINE.  I am now sure that those brains will relish taking WC to task on this matter ....
Title: Re: New Housing Development next to Sandhole Lane Westbury Leigh
Post by: Maxi on September 25, 2020, 19:44:08 PM
Thanks Baldy, Most Helpful, this is on spotted Westbury, and spotted in Westbury, Facebook pages, and a petition is being called for by individuals on th0se sites.
Title: Re: New Housing Development next to Sandhole Lane Westbury Leigh
Post by: baldy on September 25, 2020, 20:05:02 PM
Gordon is a capable campaigner and he will have the support of his LibDem Group at County Hall which means a serious attempt will be made to explain the correct development supply pipeline when the time comes. Having said that, as councillors, they can’t overcome the sheer numbers of Conservatives who would follow the case officer recommendation if they stick to the idea that the pipeline is deficient ...

I shan’t mention names, but there is one town councillor who has taken the relevant plannng authority to judicial review and has the capacity to present highly accurate figures based on comprehensive evidence and I would expect him to jump on this one if WC grants permission when there is actually a 5 year supply and the council officers are denying it. This may lead to real fireworks ...
Title: Re: New Housing Development next to Sandhole Lane Westbury Leigh
Post by: Maxi on September 25, 2020, 20:20:50 PM
The nearest access exit, to this new estate, would be leigh close, but they have chosen to go through the  Leighton Park Estate, for access, which i find Puzzling.
also Sandhole lane is called  a road but is currently a muddy track, with badger setts in. their is also a smallholding next to this field with sheep in.
Title: Re: New Housing Development next to Sandhole Lane Westbury Leigh
Post by: baldy on September 25, 2020, 20:33:11 PM
I know the area well.

Leighton Park was built with a connecting access road to that field and the existing estate is built with modern standard roads which definitely can take the traffic whether residents like that fact or not.

Leigh Close is built with too many twists and steep curving hills to be safe for more traffic and it's obvious why the developer has not bothered to try adding traffic there.

Incidentally, a petititon will add nothing to the legal arguments that will occur. This one will come down to law and whether a 5-year development pipeline exists or not. This will be a very very detailed technical legal argument ...
Title: Re: New Housing Development next to Sandhole Lane Westbury Leigh
Post by: Maxi on September 25, 2020, 23:03:04 PM
Thank you again for being very informative   [app] [app]
Title: Re: New Housing Development next to Sandhole Lane Westbury Leigh
Post by: Maxi on September 26, 2020, 13:26:53 PM
Story posted on September 2, 2020 From the White Horse News

LOCAL councils, including Westbury Town Council, who have joined together to fight the risk to their neighbourhood plans from national planning policy changes, have received a response from local MPs.

In the last issue of White Horse News, we reported that Westbury Town Council is one of 32 town and parish councils backing the campaign which was started by Malmesbury Town Council.

The campaign says the recent changes to the  National Planning Policy Framework and the loss of its  5-year land supply for housing by Wiltshire Council is “directly threatening” the future of neighbourhood planning in Wiltshire.

A press release from the 30 councils stated, “Until Wiltshire Council can show it has restored its 5-year land supply for building, all made Neighbourhood Plans in Wiltshire that are more than two years old are not taken into account in the planning process. This means, as has already happened in Malmesbury, that developments will be approved that completely go against democratically agreed Neighbourhood Plans. This is deeply concerning to town and parish councils and Neighbourhood Plan groups across the county.“

The group of councils, Wiltshire Area Localism and Planning Alliance (WALPA), wrote to all five Wiltshire MPs to request their support to ensure government immediately reviews the framework, and to encourage Wiltshire Council to take all necessary steps to reverse the land supply situation immediately, but not at the expense of prospective and current Neighbourhood Plans.

Local democracy reporter, Matthew McLaughlin, explains that the group has received replies from two MPs and the issue has been addressed at a Wiltshire Council cabinet meeting.

Responding to the call to action, North Wiltshire MP, James Gray said he agreed with the group’s points and would write to the secretary of state, Robert Jenrick ‘within the next few days’ to raise his two main concerns. First, the rule that if a Neighbourhood Plan is more than two-years-old, then it can be trumped by a shortfall in the five-year housing land supply.

“That effectively negates the value in the Neighbourhood Planning system.

“What’s the point in going to all the trouble and expense of creating a Neighbourhood Plan if it is overruled two years later?”

“And secondly,” he said. “There is a fundamental flaw in the method of calculating the five-year housing land supply figures.”

“Land on which planning permission has been granted, but on which developers have not yet started building does not count.

“Developers are thereby incentivised to delay the start of building until the very last minute since by doing so, they stand a better chance of getting permission on land which would otherwise not be available to them. That drives a coach and horses through the Neighbourhood Planning process.”

“Chippenham MP, Michelle Donelan said that while it would not be right to comment on a development outside her constituency, that local involvement should be ‘at the heart of the process’.

“My general view on planning is that local people need to be at the heart of the process which is why I welcomed the recent launch of the Planning for the Future white paper which seeks to accelerate the planning process whilst getting rid of all the bureaucracy so that the process is easier for local people to engage with.”

The WALPA also want Wiltshire Council to take the ‘necessary steps’ to address the land supply shortfall ‘but not at the expense of prospective and current Neighbourhood Plans’.

Currently, NPPF rules mean that is a Neighbourhood Plan was ‘made’ more than two-years-ago, then it does not hold much weight in light of land supply shortfalls. While the council is yet to reply, the issue was addressed at this week’s cabinet meeting.

Wiltshire Council leader, cllr Philip Whitehead said the local authority intended to respond to the letter.

Cllr Toby Sturgis, cabinet member for planning said,“I fully support the mayor of Malmesbury’s view on the time limits of Neighbourhood Plans and I have discussed this at every opportunity when I am talking to the MPs, giving examples of what effect it has in Wiltshire.”

Cllr Whitehead added, “I don’t think we’ve got as big a problem with the planning process. I think we’ve got a problem with developers not building out the planning permissions they’ve got.

“So, we get the houses on the ground for people to live in. I’d much rather see legislation to improve our powers to make sure developers build when we’ve given them planning permission and come to section 106 agreements and work forward on this.”

Wiltshire Council first became aware of their land supply shortfall during the Purton Road appeal, which took place in February this year and was confirmed in the inspector’s decision, received on 6 April 2020.

Cllr Sturgis says the council is working towards restoring the county’s five-year land supply.
Title: Re: New Housing Development next to Sandhole Lane Westbury Leigh
Post by: baldy on September 26, 2020, 15:14:09 PM
Maxi, that WHN article is about the latest proposals from Government to adjust aspects of the planning application process which went out to public consultation a few weeeks ago. It affects the way the 5-year land supply would be identified in the future and will result in quicker planning applications if the changes are implemented, BUT none of this affects applications currently underway or about to get underway soon as the changes have not yet happened.
Title: Re: New Housing Development next to Sandhole Lane Westbury Leigh
Post by: Maxi on September 26, 2020, 16:00:59 PM
Ah i understand,
 My worry is, if this Development
is allowed developers would be looking at a lot of the fields between Westbury leigh and old Dilton.
Do you think that could happen.
Title: Re: New Housing Development next to Sandhole Lane Westbury Leigh
Post by: baldy on September 26, 2020, 17:26:14 PM
Between Leigh Park and Penleigh, Yes.


Between Westbury Leigh and Old Dilton, not sure but possibly.
Title: Re: New Housing Development next to Sandhole Lane Westbury Leigh
Post by: Maxi on September 26, 2020, 18:48:06 PM
Thats not good,
Can you look for gains if you cannot stop it, like Leighton Park has old clay pipe sewerage, where the new development will have plastic pipes, if the new development sewerage runs into leighton park, should the developers upgrade Leighton Park sewerage system, because the clay pipes are constantly collapsing causing blockages.
Title: Re: New Housing Development next to Sandhole Lane Westbury Leigh
Post by: baldy on September 26, 2020, 20:55:01 PM
Yes.

But, running new, larger sewerage pipes through Leighton Park is different to upgrading all of the Leighton Park sewer pipes because each old house connection to the main sewer in each road would be unlikely to be replaced.

I think that it is possible to ask for some sort of upgrade to nearby essential facilities, if needed, and sewerage is definitely a possibility. But, I don't think it's possible to get individual pipes for each home to the main sewer upgraded off of a "planning gain".
Title: Re: New Housing Development next to Sandhole Lane Westbury Leigh
Post by: Maxi on September 27, 2020, 22:49:06 PM
Proposal attached
Title: Re: New Housing Development next to Sandhole Lane Westbury Leigh
Post by: Maxi on September 27, 2020, 23:03:07 PM
Ian Cunningham wrote on Facebook
The land promoter and their agents came to present to the town council's highways, planning and development committee last week.
There is no planning application as yet - this is called pre-consultation.
I advertised the meeting on this forum. If you go to the meeting now you can watch the meeting - their presentation was the first item.
https://bit.ly/3khrX3S (https://bit.ly/3khrX3S)

They are consulting online here: https://www.sandholelanewestbury.co.uk/ (https://www.sandholelanewestbury.co.uk/)
Title: Re: New Housing Development next to Sandhole Lane Westbury Leigh
Post by: baldy on September 28, 2020, 07:21:41 AM
He means pre-application consultation.
Title: Re: New Housing Development next to Sandhole Lane Westbury Leigh
Post by: baldy on September 28, 2020, 07:24:52 AM
TBH - the proposed development looks perfectly reasonable with a large amount of green open space that Leighton Park and Westbury Leigh always needed.


The extra population will be a bit of a boost to the church, shop and community hall ...
Title: Re: New Housing Development next to Sandhole Lane Westbury Leigh
Post by: Maxi on September 28, 2020, 09:21:06 AM
My Fear Baldy, that is the start of a much greater plan,
 to concrete over with developments, the Westbury Leigh side of Westbury, and the loss of Biodiversity that would follow it.
Title: Re: New Housing Development next to Sandhole Lane Westbury Leigh
Post by: baldy on September 28, 2020, 11:06:59 AM
There is no such "plan".


There is simply doubt about the 5-year development pipeline and opportunistic developers are putting in applications on unallocated land where they think they can prove sustainability. I would think the other land south of Westbury Leigh and towards Old Dilton is safe, though that other field south of Leighton Park by Warminster Road looks very vulnerable at present.
Title: Re: New Housing Development next to Sandhole Lane Westbury Leigh
Post by: Maxi on September 28, 2020, 13:43:42 PM
I made Andrew Murrison aware of this proposal this morning, and this is his reply.

Thank you. I’m not aware of this proposal but last time I looked N&W Wilts area had a more than five year supply so it should fail. If it’s dipped below there’s a vulnerability that the developer may seek to exploit.
It’s important objections are lodged on the WC planning site against the application number.
Title: Re: New Housing Development next to Sandhole Lane Westbury Leigh
Post by: Maxi on September 28, 2020, 14:02:55 PM
Leaflet attached which is being sent to nearby Residents.
Title: Re: New Housing Development next to Sandhole Lane Westbury Leigh
Post by: Maxi on September 28, 2020, 17:46:25 PM
https://www.sandholelanewestbury.co.uk/?fbclid=IwAR2bqk7h0RXWg9RJ4F20eHMumMc0udVnKdb8jJkdCF4ZVqn46h7e9AFm4sA (https://www.sandholelanewestbury.co.uk/?fbclid=IwAR2bqk7h0RXWg9RJ4F20eHMumMc0udVnKdb8jJkdCF4ZVqn46h7e9AFm4sA)


Website for the Development.