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Title: General Election 2019
Post by: Maxi on November 03, 2019, 00:07:24 AM
Here are Some Labour Party Policies How Many Do You Disagree with

Ban companies based in tax havens bidding for government contracts
It's astounding that this isn't the case already. How on earth could anyone even attempt to justify taxpayers' cash being paid to companies based in tax havens for the purpose of dodging tax?

 £10 minimum wage for all workers over the age of 18
The UK is the only country in the developed world where workers' wages are declining in real terms, while the economy is actually growing. A £10 minimum wage would help to reverse this scenario, and it would also significantly reduce the cost of in-work benefits like tax credits and housing benefit (most of which goes to working families these days).

 All rented accommodation to be fit for human habitation
Again, astounding that this isn't the case already, but in January 2016 the Tories (over 1/3 of whom are landlords) deliberately voted down a Labour Party amendment to their housing bill to ensure that all rented accommodation is fit for human habitation.

 Renationalise the railways
This is a very popular policy that is supported by an overwhelming majority of the public. Do you support rail renationalisation too, or are you one of the minority who think that the current profiteer-administered shambles is acceptable?

 Renationalise the NHS
The Tory party have been carving up the English NHS and distributing the pieces to the private sector, Jeremy Corbyn has pledged to reverse this process. Are you one of the 84% of people who thinks the NHS should be run as a not for profit public service, or the 7% who agree with the ongoing Tory privatisation agenda?

 Free school meals
The policy of providing free school meals to all school children between the ages of 4 and 11 is based on evidence based research showing that universal free school meals lead to significantly improved grades. It will be paid for by ending the generous tax breaks (public subsidies) for the 7% of kids who go to private fee-paying schools.

 Create a National Education Service
Jeremy Corbyn believes that education is a right, not a commodity. He wants to create an integrated National Education Service to ensure that education is freely available to anyone who needs it.

 Scrap tuition fees
Thanks to the Tories (and their Lib-Dem enablers) UK students now face the most expensive tuition fees in the developed world for study at public universities, meaning students typically leave university with £50,000 of debt, and two thirds of them will never pay off their student debts. Labour would end this lunacy by getting rid of student fees.

 Restore NHS Bursaries
One of the first things Theresa My did when she came to power was to scrap NHS bursaries for nurses and other NHS workers. This removal of financial support for nurses has caused a huge 10,000 decline in the number of applicants to nursing courses. This collapse in nursing recruitment would be bad enough in its own right, but in combination with a record increase in the number of EU nurses quitting the NHS, and a mind-boggling 92% fall in nursing recruitment from EU countries, the UK is clearly facing a massive NHS recruitment crisis. Labour would reverse this calamitous state of affairs by restoring NHS Bursaries for trainee nurses.

 Increase the carers allowance
Labour are proposing to increase the Carers Allowance for the 1 million unpaid carers in the UK. This would be paid for by scrapping the Tories' Inheritance Tax cut for millionaires. Unpaid carers save the UK economy an estimated £132 million a year, and they're doing ever more work as a result of the £4.6 billion in Tory cuts to the social care budget.

 Create a National Investment Bank
This is actually one of Jeremy Corbyn's best policies, but few people actually understand it. It's absolutely clear that allowing private banks to determine where money is invested ends up in huge speculative bubbles in housing and financial derivatives, while the real economy is starved of cash. A National Investment Bank would work by investing in things like infrastructure, services, businesses and regional development projects, and would end up becoming a kind of sovereign wealth fund for the UK.

 End the public sector pay freeze
Under Tory rule UK workers suffered the longest sustained decline in real wages since records began. The public sector pay freeze contributed massively to this. You'd have to be economically illiterate to imagine that repressing public sector wages with below inflation pay rises for year after year would not exert downwards pressure on private sector wages too. Ending the public sector pay freeze would actually boost the economy by putting more money in people's pockets, meaning an increase in aggregate demand.

End sweetheart tax deals between HMRC and massive corporations
David Cameron (the son of a tax-dodger) repeatedly lied through his teeth about how serious he was about confronting tax-dodging, whilst allowing HMRC to concoct sweetheart deals with corporations like Google, Vodafone and Starbucks. One of the main reasons the corporate press are so strongly opposed to Jeremy Corbyn is that they know that unlike David Cameron, he's serious when he talks about clamping down on tax-dodging.

 Stop major corporations ripping off their suppliers
Major corporations are withholding an astounding £26 billion through late payment, which is responsible for an estimated 50,000 small businesses going bust every year. The scale of this problem is so massive that it should be a national scandal, and Jeremy Corbyn is absolutely right to align himself with small businesses to defend their interests.

 Reverse the Tory corporation tax cuts
Since 2010 the Tories have cut the rate of corporation tax for major multinational corporations from 28% to just 17% (by 2020) meaning the UK has one of the lowest corporation tax rates in the developed world. The global average is 27% and the G7 average is 32.3%. Theresa May has already threatened to lower the corporation tax even further to turn post-Brexit Britain into a tax haven economy, Corbyn is proposing to do the opposite and increase corporation tax rates so they're more in line with the rest of the developed world.

Defend Human Rights
Theresa May has repeatedly expressed her intention to tear up Winston Churchill's finest legacy, the European Convention on Human Rights. Labour would oppose this Tory attack on our human rights.

Zero Hours Contracts ban
Almost a million UK workers are now on exploitative Zero Hours Contracts. Last year the New Zealand parliament voted to ban them, and Labour is proposing to do the same. Long-term employees and workers doing regular hours would be protected from Zero Hours Contract exploitation.

Holding the Tories to account over Brexit
Labour have said that they won't block Brexit, but they will seek to hold the Tories to account over it. A landslide Tory victory would be a disaster for the UK because it would allow the Tories to pursue the most right-wing pro-corporate anti-worker Brexit possible with almost no democratic scrutiny. The only way to make sure the Tories don't push a fanatically right-wing Brexit on the nation is to return a Labour government, or ensure that there are enough opposition MPs to hold them to account.

Housebuilding
Under the Tory government the level of UK housebuilding has slumped to the lowest levels since the 1920s, even though demand for housing is extremely high. Labour are guaranteeing to invest in a programme of house building, and committing to ensure that half of the new houses are social housing. This wouldn't just alleviate the housing crisis, it would also stimulate the economy by increasing aggregate demand.

Combat inequality
George Osborne's ideological austerity agenda resulted in the longest sustained decline in workers' wages since records began and condemned an additional 400,000 children to growing up in poverty, meanwhile the tiny super-rich majority literally doubled their wealth. Labour is pledging to reduce the inequality gap and introduce progressive policies to reduce the gap between the incomes of the highest and lowest paid. There is plenty of evidence to show that the least unequal societies are more economically successful places where the people are happier.

Title: Re: General Election 2019
Post by: Maxi on November 03, 2019, 12:33:24 PM
Nigel Farage says he will not stand in General Election

This news made my weekend, he probably did not want to make it 8 losses in a row.

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/nigel-farage-says-he-will-not-stand-in-general-election/ar-AAJLjHU?ocid=ientp (http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/nigel-farage-says-he-will-not-stand-in-general-election/ar-AAJLjHU?ocid=ientp)
Title: Re: General Election 2019
Post by: baldy on November 03, 2019, 20:27:45 PM
The pips would squeak !


I'm surprised that cancelling the Right to Buy (social housing at a discounted rate) is not included.

We all know it has the effect of passing wealth to people who can often afford to buy private sector homes (ie. they often don't need it because their income has improved since they first became a council or housing association tenant) and it reduces availability of social homes in a serious and dramatic way.

Title: Re: General Election 2019
Post by: baldy on November 03, 2019, 20:31:43 PM
Nigel Farage says he will not stand in General Election

This news made my weekend, he probably did not want to make it 8 losses in a row.

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/nigel-farage-says-he-will-not-stand-in-general-election/ar-AAJLjHU?ocid=ientp (http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/nigel-farage-says-he-will-not-stand-in-general-election/ar-AAJLjHU?ocid=ientp)



I imagine he will try to get a seat via a by-election after we actually leave the EU and he loses his seat as an MEP.  In contrast to the current GE when he is travelling around the country to support all of his party's candidates, in a by-election he can spend all his effort on winning one seat.
Title: Re: General Election 2019
Post by: Shizzy on November 04, 2019, 09:56:51 AM
Here are Some Labour Party Policies How Many Do You Disagree with



Zero Hours Contracts ban
Almost a million UK workers are now on exploitative Zero Hours Contracts. Last year the New Zealand parliament voted to ban them, and Labour is proposing to do the same. Long-term employees and workers doing regular hours would be protected from Zero Hours Contract exploitation.


Needs to be looked at for sure. Not convinced it requires an outright ban, as I know many semi retired people who enjoy the flexibility of zero hours work.  It should not be forced on workers, but workers who are in a position to work zero hrs contracts should have the option.

I wonder how how this land of milk and honey envisaged by the Labour Party would be funded? I suspect the same way it was in the 70's and 90's with massive amounts of borrowing.

Title: Re: General Election 2019
Post by: Bob DeBilda on November 04, 2019, 10:30:03 AM


I wonder how how this land of milk and honey envisaged by the Labour Party would be funded? I suspect the same way it was in the 70's and 90's with massive amounts of borrowing.


From the £250,000,000 a week back from the EU apparently...

Oh wait....
Title: Re: General Election 2019
Post by: Shizzy on November 04, 2019, 12:10:10 PM
Here are Some Labour Party Policies How Many Do You Disagree with


 Renationalise the railways
This is a very popular policy that is supported by an overwhelming majority of the public. Do you support rail renationalisation too, or are you one of the minority who think that the current profiteer-administered shambles is acceptable?

 

I can see why it looks popular, however a large proportion of the electorate have not experienced nationalised services so have no idea what it means in reality, or look back with rose tinted glasses. Public run bodies tend to be inefficient and wasteful, and any savings made from not paying shareholders is sucked by by inefficiency and waste.

British Rail was a bloody mess, and was the subject of much criticism, and mockery at the time, somehow forgotten in the midst of time.
Title: Re: General Election 2019
Post by: Shizzy on November 04, 2019, 12:24:52 PM
Here are Some Labour Party Policies How Many Do You Disagree with



Housebuilding
Under the Tory government the level of UK housebuilding has slumped to the lowest levels since the 1920s, even though demand for housing is extremely high. Labour are guaranteeing to invest in a programme of house building, and committing to ensure that half of the new houses are social housing. This wouldn't just alleviate the housing crisis, it would also stimulate the economy by increasing aggregate demand.


Interesting you chose to say 'under a Tory government' as it shows a bit of bias.

On average, housing associations and local authorities have built around 26,500 houses each year since 2010. The Labour government (1997-2010) had a lower average, building about 19,000 homes per year. (Source Fullfact.org)

You are right though that there needs to be a big increase in house building.
Title: Re: General Election 2019
Post by: Shizzy on November 05, 2019, 12:40:13 PM
Here are Some Labour Party Policies How Many Do You Disagree with



End sweetheart tax deals between HMRC and massive corporations
David Cameron (the son of a tax-dodger) repeatedly lied through his teeth about how serious he was about confronting tax-dodging, whilst allowing HMRC to concoct sweetheart deals with corporations like Google, Vodafone and Starbucks. One of the main reasons the corporate press are so strongly opposed to Jeremy Corbyn is that they know that unlike David Cameron, he's serious when he talks about clamping down on tax-dodging.


Not sure it is as simple to resolve as JC makes out. This is a worldwide problem (getting mainly tech companies to pay their fair share of tax), and pretty much every developed country in the world is grappling with this problem. It's easy to say 'we will make big companies pay more tax'  but it seems rather more difficult to do in practice. I agree though that they should pay their fare share but not sure how this would be achieved.
Title: Re: General Election 2019
Post by: Shizzy on November 05, 2019, 14:14:10 PM
Jo Swinson is at it now. We will get 50bn for staying in the EU. Has she learnt nothing from Boris?

https://news.sky.com/story/general-election-swinson-says-tories-and-labour-merge-into-one-on-brexit-11854739
Title: Re: Should Rees-Mogg resign?
Post by: Bob DeBilda on November 07, 2019, 09:24:32 AM
Should this arrogant, privileged, holier- than- thou Tory prat be fired over his Grenfell tower comments?

Andrew Bridgen is just as guilty as well.
Title: Re: General Election 2019
Post by: Bob DeBilda on November 07, 2019, 09:26:35 AM
Jo Swinson is at it now. We will get 50bn for staying in the EU. Has she learnt nothing from Boris?

https://news.sky.com/story/general-election-swinson-says-tories-and-labour-merge-into-one-on-brexit-11854739

She has probably learnt from BoJo that telling lies before an election gets you more votes.
Title: Re: General Election 2019
Post by: baldy on November 07, 2019, 10:45:57 AM
Jo Swinson is at it now. We will get 50bn for staying in the EU. Has she learnt nothing from Boris?

https://news.sky.com/story/general-election-swinson-says-tories-and-labour-merge-into-one-on-brexit-11854739 (https://news.sky.com/story/general-election-swinson-says-tories-and-labour-merge-into-one-on-brexit-11854739)

She has probably learnt from BoJo that telling lies before an election gets you more votes.


The LibDems invented the modern method of election campaigning with misleading claims based on some sort of fact that has been taken out of its correct context and other parties have followed suit because it works.


I have to say that I have seen lots of unfair claims about Jo Swinson's husband lately involving EU grants for the EU-based organisation that he works for as if he or Jo get the money themselves. Duncan Hames was a LibDem councillor at West Wiltshire District Council for the Holt ward before he became the MP for Chippenham (inc. B on A etc) from 2010 - 2015. I met him and dealt with him several times on various issues as a district councillor and found him to be highly intelligent, thoughtful and helpful. I can't stand the LibDems as a whole, but I have to say that he is a man of total integrity and high ability ... though I can't say I share his taste in women ... especially those who wear large dangly plastic earings ... and have a bit of a whiny shrill voice ...
Title: Re: Should Rees-Mogg resign?
Post by: baldy on November 07, 2019, 10:53:45 AM
Should this arrogant, privileged, holier- than- thou Tory prat be fired over his Grenfell tower comments?

Andrew Bridgen is just as guilty as well.


I think all politicians suffer from a bout of foot in mouth disease from time to time  (ahem ...  :-[ ).

David Cameron's crap about the Big Society turned out to be years and years of utter rubbish.

Mrs May used a slogan of strong and stable when actually it was clear to all that she was weak, wobbly, inept and incompetent in so many crucial ways.

It will be up to his local electorate to chose and I am in no doubt that his usual supporters will stand by him and accept that, like everyone else, he is a flawed character and in reality no-one is perfect and that sometimes politicians talk utter nonsense on topics that they really have no personal experience of ... especially when answering a question put to them that they were unprepared for ...
Title: Re: General Election 2019
Post by: Shizzy on November 07, 2019, 13:48:38 PM
Should this arrogant, privileged, holier- than- thou Tory prat be fired over his Grenfell tower comments?

Andrew Bridgen is just as guilty as well.

Well, his constituency can decide next month.

I am uncomfortable with all this Twitter hysteria every time someone in public office does something silly or says something crass. Should Baroness Lawerence be sacked for what she said about London Fire Brigade? Should Diane Abbott be sacked for saying Chairman Mao did more good than harm (he was instrumental in the deaths of 60 million people)?
Title: Re: General Election 2019
Post by: Bob DeBilda on November 07, 2019, 14:16:45 PM
Should this arrogant, privileged, holier- than- thou Tory prat be fired over his Grenfell tower comments?

Andrew Bridgen is just as guilty as well.

Well, his constituency can decide next month.

Oh they'll return him. Die hard Tories in his constituency. I saw one interviewed last night who was a 'regular' in the con club. Comparing the conservative club to Grenfell Tower by saying if this place was on fire I would follow Jacob and get out! - prat

Title: EXPOSED: Cost of Corbyn = £1.2 TN !!
Post by: baldy on November 10, 2019, 15:55:06 PM
See:  https://www.costofcorbyn.com/ (https://www.costofcorbyn.com/)


Wow !!!
Title: Re: General Election 2019
Post by: Shizzy on November 10, 2019, 16:51:12 PM
We shouldn't be surprised. Labour has a habit of borrowing shed loads of money and then getting others to sort out the mess they leave the country in. I wonder what is more of a risk to our economy, Brexit, or a Corbyn led government?
Title: Re: EXPOSED: Cost of Corbyn = £1.2 TN !!
Post by: mojo on November 10, 2019, 16:53:48 PM
See:  https://www.costofcorbyn.com/ (https://www.costofcorbyn.com/)


Wow !!!

I do not support Labour, but that calculation is just made up.  The rail nationalisation figure comes from the CBI who have all but admitted it is made up, they did admit that they exaggerated the numbers and did not reflect Labours published policy.
There is no evidence of how any of those figures were calculated or how they compare to Tory spending pledges, especially as this is a conservative website "Promoted by Alan Mabbutt on behalf of the Conservative Party, both at 4 Matthew Parker Street, London, SW1H 9HQ"

Since the 2016 referendum I think there has been a greater political engagement, but with that there has also been disappointing increase in political lying that doesn't get challenged.  It doesn't matter if you support the Tories, Labour or Monster Raving Loonies surely the first thing you should ask yourself is what is the evidence to support the assertion? If the evidence used (we can all use Google) can be shown to lack credibility then you have to question the integrity and credibility of those who publish it.

Cheers
Mojo
Title: brexit party will not contest 317 tory seats nigel farage says
Post by: Bob DeBilda on November 12, 2019, 12:44:12 PM
Probably because he couldn't find enough candidates to stand. ::)

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/11/brexit-party-will-not-contest-317-tory-seats-nigel-farage-says

Farage said his party’s climbdown came after months of trying to create a leave alliance with the Tories, but he felt it was time to put the country before his party and make a “unilateral” move.

He will announce on Friday in which seats the Brexit party is standing. Speculation continues over where the party will stand but it is not expected to run in Northern Ireland or parts of Scotland.

As he spelled out his general election strategy at a rally in Hartlepool, which voted 70% to leave the EU, Farage said he had concluded that if the Brexit party had stood a candidate in every seat it could split the vote and usher in dozens of Liberal Democrat MPs and, in turn, create the circumstances for a second referendum.


The mans a joke. It wasn't long ago he was quite happy to have a second referendum now he fears one ! And it wasn't that long ago he said he was walking away from politics !

Now he wants to rig the general election but has even cocked that up by the looks of it.  The sooner this chinless, public schoolboy, xtremist, xenophobic right wing sh1t stirrer is out of everyone's life the better.
Title: Electing Labour will cause 'sudden and dramatic run on the pound'
Post by: baldy on November 25, 2019, 12:06:51 PM

OMG - Labour's Loony Lefties will destroy our economy if they get into power.
Obviously, they won't as most folk are really not that stupid!

Telegraph: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/11/25/labours-manifesto-could-cause-run-sterling-economists-warn/?WT.mc_id=tmg_share_em (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/11/25/labours-manifesto-could-cause-run-sterling-economists-warn/?WT.mc_id=tmg_share_em)


Electing the Labour Party could trigger a run on the pound in a "sudden and dramatic reaction" on the markets, economists have said.
New research from the Centre for Economics and Business Research (Cebr) said that Labour plans, laid out in its manifesto last week, "would not inspire market confidence".
The party's policies suggest additional expenditure of around £83bn every year by 2023/24, which it said would be matched by additional revenues of the same amount, drawn from higher taxes on companies and the rich.
Among the party's plans are policies to increase the health budget by more than 4pc as well as to freeze the state pension age and nationalise a swathe of industries. It has said it would offset these measures by hiking taxes such as death duties and bringing in a levy on holiday homes. Last week the Institute for Fiscal Studies said the plans were "simply not credible".
This morning Cebr founder Douglas McWilliams said "even their maths must have tired near the end because there is a final £5bn of additional revenue attributable to 'multiplier effects'".
The think-tank added: "if elected, it is likely that there could be capital flight and a falling pound".
The comments were echoed by Mark Littlewood, director general of the Institute of Economic Affairs, who said the research "stands to reason".
"Capital is now incredibly mobile and billions can leave the country at the touch of a button. We might end up with some attempt to bring back exchange controls of some sort.
"Markets seem to be expecting a Tory win. If we do get a surprise Labour victory, it's unlikely that much of this risk is 'priced in' in the way it would be if people thought a Labour victory was a 50pc chance. So, if Labour do win on December 12 there could be a sudden and dramatic reaction."
Ruth Lea, an economic adviser at Arbuthnot Banking Group, agreed it was likely that "people will just pull their money out, that there'll just be a cash flight".
"Wouldn't you? Everybody I talk to who has any assets, they'd get their money out of the country as quick as they could.
"There's no doubt the Labour party would have to consider bringing in exchange controls."
John McDonnell, the Shadow Chancellor, has previously said the party had done "war-game-type scenario-planning" for events including a run on the pound" – comments the Labour party later rowed back on.
However, signs emerged of unease on the markets emerged earlier this month, after Labour unveiled plans to seize British businesses under its nationalisation plans. At the time, industry insiders warned that investors could abandon the country.
Labour has already suggested it would pay less than the market value for those assets – something that would hurt millions of small shareholders.
Even with these concerns, though, city insiders said it still appeared unlikely Labour would get into power by itself, with little risk priced in yet.
Meanwhile Vince Cable, the former Liberal Democrat leader, said that "no one believes Labour has the remotest chance of putting its absurd manifesto commitments into practice so I imagine the impact on markets is very small".
Title: Re: General Election 2019
Post by: jimkerr on November 25, 2019, 13:20:45 PM
Thanks Baldy I been waiting for that old saying they would leave in Labour got in your still flogging the same tory stuff Thatcher did it's funny how it's ok for them to stay when the tories gives them Tax Cuts But not if they are asked to pay more to sort out our Public services that's a bad thing.

We need to Change this Country for the poor not for the rich you selfish man.

Made sure i didn't swear I HATE TORIES
Title: Re: General Election 2019
Post by: Michael on November 25, 2019, 13:31:56 PM
Research from the Greenwich University.
Public ownership of rail, water, energy, buses, Royal Mail, broadband and the NHS would save the UK nearly £13billion every year, a study has found.
Research based on studies by Greenwich University in south east London, the Transport for Quality of Life and the Centre for Health and the Public Interest, has helped the group pinpoint savings to pay for a “public services upgrade.”
It found:
Public ownership of the railways will save £1billion a year, enough to pay for 100 miles of new railway track a year.
Nationalising water firms will save £2.5billion a year, enough to reduce leakage levels by a third in one year.
Title: Re: General Election 2019
Post by: baldy on November 25, 2019, 14:38:59 PM
Michael
Those are interesting claims. Could you please provide a link to the source material so that we can see what type of "research" this might be?
Just mentioning the name of a Uni could mean almost anything from proper peer-reviewed research published by a bona fide Professor of Economics (or similar subject) to some drivel written in a dissertation by a Marxist numbskull who goes around looking like a punk with red mohican-style hair and happens to be the student union rep in charge of a campus bar  (That last description is based on my early 1980s recollection of the sort of utter rubbish that often existed within student unions even on a campus for serious professional courses so most students just ignored the student union ...).


Personally, I do see the benefit of nationalising the railways tho ... so I'm not saying that everything Labour says is rubbish.
Title: Re: General Election 2019
Post by: baldy on November 25, 2019, 14:49:15 PM

We need to Change this Country for the poor not for the rich you selfish man.



Me criticising Labour's loony plans to trash the economy with totally unrealistic spending plans that would cause us to be bankrupted quickly and need the IMF to bail us out (just like a previous Labour Government), does not mean that I don't think the poor should be better treated.

It's a matter of hard choices. In reality, Labour always leaves government having trashed the nation's finances and so the following Conservative Government needs to clean up the mess.

The last Labour Government really did leave the worst economic mess in living memory, but I have to admit that George Osborne was a stupid Chancellor who cut expenditure so hard that he choked off the economy and allowed so many redundancies that our national debt shot up faster than it was going to anyway because of the huge structural budget deficits that Labour had set up by spending ridiculous amounts of money.

I believe that the Tory way is the most sensible because it involves growing the economy in the best way to give more employment, more pay and so the poor can work their way to more wealth whilst those who need Government help also get enough to live on.

I certainly think both Labour and Tories have failed us on the housing market by allowing the planning system to restrict development and supply of more homes too much and allowing far far far too much unplanned immigration. It's truly a scandal.
Title: Tories on course for 80 seat majority with biggest poll lead for two years
Post by: baldy on November 25, 2019, 15:40:51 PM
Telegraph:  https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/11/25/general-election-brexit-news-conservative-manifesto-boris-johnson1/?WT.mc_id=tmg_share_em (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/11/25/general-election-brexit-news-conservative-manifesto-boris-johnson1/?WT.mc_id=tmg_share_em)


Boris Johnson’s Tories have established their biggest lead over Labour for two years, according to a monthly poll of polls that puts them on course for a majority of 80 seats.
It shows the Tories with the same 13 per cent lead that Theresa May had at the same point in the 2017 campaign with two and a half weeks to go - before her bungled manifesto launch led to a collapse in her support to just two per cent by election day.
The monthly poll of polls shows November was the best month the Tories have had since the last election with the Tories on 43 per cent against Labour’s 29.9 per cent.
It would put the Tories on 365 seats and Labour on 202, while the Lib Dems on 15.1 per cent would get 20 seats, according to the analysis by Electoral Calculus.
The hardening of the Conservative and Labour votes, at the expense of the Brexit Party and Lib Dems respectively, has also seen the number of seats where tactical voting could oust the Tories fall by almost a third from 68 to 49.
Remain United, set up by businesswoman Gina Miller, blamed the decision by the Brexit Party to drop out of fighting Tory held marginals for the decline.
The Tory poll lead comes as Tony Blair warned his own party would "pose a risk" to the UK.
The former Labour Prime Minister warned that it would be "unwise" for the UK to support Labour getting into power as he accused both the main parties of "peddling two sets of fantasies".
"Both, as majority governments, pose a risk it would be unwise for the country to take," he said.
Mr Blair, who has previously said he would struggle to vote Labour in a general election due to his concern about the party's political direction under Jeremy Corbyn, said Labour's manifesto is "the most radical ever".
Title: Re: General Election 2019
Post by: baldy on November 25, 2019, 15:45:46 PM
The Labour Party's lefty loonies will soon need to offer free puppies or kittens and free holidays to keep their fantasy spending spree growing at an ever faster and more ridiculous rate ...



Title: Re: General Election 2019
Post by: Shizzy on November 25, 2019, 16:26:58 PM
oh dear Nicky Morgan had a Diane Abbott moment

https://www.aol.co.uk/news/2019/11/25/tory-minister-caught-out-over-claim-to-recruit-50-000-nurses-in/?guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvLnVrLw&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAMfROjB0efYizSHsbPGQbU-vHYBn-NwDG45E12RVYRN0lZaD46WRYK_sbfuZz922zfytPpq1ssA7-Pg2L3I3z9ftXmB1q1gZTMx_fSMI2Nsu7Q7Tzx8uVYLR2a72GvA1HS9YUaSyUJwrhYuGep_E-qQ5Rew4HHIYHYTqVN5Ixx-x&guccounter=2
Title: Re: Electing Labour will cause 'sudden and dramatic run on the pound'
Post by: mojo on November 25, 2019, 17:15:51 PM

OMG - Labour's Loony Lefties will destroy our economy if they get into power.
Obviously, they won't as most folk are really not that stupid!

http://www.primeeconomics.org/articles/conservative-budget-deficits-on-average-theyre-twice-the-size-of-labours

https://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/

I don't know the political leanings of these web sites you can draw your own conclusions, however the view here is that it is the Tories that are fiscally irresponsible rather than Labour.

Mojo
Title: Re: General Election 2019
Post by: Michael on November 25, 2019, 17:29:55 PM
oh dear Nicky Morgan had a Diane Abbott moment

https://www.aol.co.uk/news/2019/11/25/tory-minister-caught-out-over-claim-to-recruit-50-000-nurses-in/?guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvLnVrLw&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAMfROjB0efYizSHsbPGQbU-vHYBn-NwDG45E12RVYRN0lZaD46WRYK_sbfuZz922zfytPpq1ssA7-Pg2L3I3z9ftXmB1q1gZTMx_fSMI2Nsu7Q7Tzx8uVYLR2a72GvA1HS9YUaSyUJwrhYuGep_E-qQ5Rew4HHIYHYTqVN5Ixx-x&guccounter=2
Difficult for any Tory to make a sense of this.
https://www.facebook.com/185180654855189/photos/a.389966974376555/2880177682022126/?type=3&eid=ARDf2mesRYPqhgv59kmlZoV3rsMA9t1KEES7xHUFkNYf39Eej8pf8yLjG2Q6LrOEY8CqhY6es6uAr5oK&__xts__%5B0%5D=68.ARCkNw7FM4JIbR1qglXjfadEuvoQ7ParOdokDp3almaxiQaDgIxoGA0ljoOg7yB5_4zVoQ0ABwPCkOebDBRL-p7cNYaM53hH312Be3zgzQYcqX1w5It-qChiH-B2Q7sRIumCcqR5D-gR7ax5fP75kKafwW1jF9QUAPYNCw-eQHvQwHS_TsGxpPJpUJvCikIYL0lXj-sfprboc0XmpMBfyXeQ9WQ4jrN-CVvxDbtL1hf2MreZQGNTDgpIfkVyy_H3viqVvZM6BJu54cwpxAGtcRMJN8HdNa6RMoeMPKB8Z2LtsQDy5KpiUW5WManDRw36Nj4q_szz9MB5uol_xFMwrGOnhw&__tn__=EEHH-R
Title: Re: General Election 2019
Post by: baldy on November 25, 2019, 17:34:36 PM
Yup - that might be the WTF election moment of all time (if true) !
Title: Re: General Election 2019
Post by: jimkerr on November 25, 2019, 18:04:55 PM
I am welsh I have lots of family in wales I just saw a poll that puts Labour up 9% in Wales 3 weeks ago the tories looked like they would do well not now the Brexit party have dropped -7% and not many Voters from the Valleys would go from Labour to Tory they would go Labour to Brexit I don't think having Johnson waffling on and not actually answering the Questions is going down well and two more weeks of Get Brexit Done Over Ready put it in the Microwave will cost him.
Title: Re: General Election 2019
Post by: baldy on November 26, 2019, 00:58:27 AM
I think the Tory team and the Brexit Party team have agreed some sort of informal and locally-based collaboration but they obviously deny any formal "pact".

I sense that it is simply that the Brexit Party will not run against Tories where Conservative MPs won last time (which we all know already) and then have negotiated on a local level seat by seat with the Chair of each Conservative association about the best tactic to get a Leaver elected. In many northern and Welsh seats this will mean that where the Tory has no chance of winning the Tories will put up a "paper" candidate, meaning that they fill in the paperwork to run with their candidate's name on the ballot and then do absolutely no or very minimal campaigning eg. just the one mailshot from Boris in the mail and definitely no local leaflets or canvassing with the candidate him/herself mentioned. I imagine this might occur both ways as it would benefit both parties to be able to stand down their election teams in some areas and send them to other nearby constituencies to help boost campaigns which are close to winning and just need another heave etc.

Contrary to the polls, I think the Brexit Party will this way get a dozen or so northern seats, which will absolutely put the Brexit Party on the map ..... though it will be a one off as they will be out of a job by the time of the following GE.  I suppose most of them will simply join the Tories before the next GE.

I also think Boris is on course for an outright win with a majority of about 20 - 50 or so .... unless some amazing scandal breaks with credible claims that Boris and half his team are actually Russians or have hidden off-shore income that they don't pay tax on etc ...

I am convinced that Boris has an extremely competent campaigning team around him who know how to win and their tactics even include how Boris behaves when he bumbles about and just says Get Brexit Done and We've got an oven ready deal just put it in the microwave at gas  mark 2 or just add water .... I don't know how to cook too well ....      This guff really goes down well with some folk.  I've watched interviews on TV where northern Labour voters say they can't trust Boris but they like him and will vote just this once for him to get Brexit done.

Once he gets his working majority, he will use an extremely clever team to keep on campaigning for an enormous Tory poll lead and will push through all sorts of legislation that will turn this country into an economic powerhouse, especially by investing in our poorer regions that really do need the investment to help make them more productive.  I think Boris is right to keep going on about his record as London Mayor (ie. what happens when he is in charge but lets properly clever and qualified experts do the work for him). He is a Liberal pretending to be a bit of a Right wing Tory whilst all the time focusing on what the majority actually want ....
Title: Re: General Election 2019
Post by: Michael on November 26, 2019, 10:13:04 AM
An alternative to the TORYGRAPH view that you might like to read.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-11-26/corbyn-s-u-k-spending-blitz-wins-backing-from-economists?fbclid=IwAR0VcFbJeGnHjEk9dBRoa_cy0ks2tj5ur9cdRD0q8zwlUSR4bIGi4PGcyl0
Title: Re: General Election 2019
Post by: wanderlust on November 27, 2019, 09:36:58 AM
I have never read so much

                                                                     BULLSH1T


Have a read of some of your own posts
Title: Re: General Election 2019
Post by: Bob DeBilda on November 27, 2019, 12:24:35 PM
Yeah, you're right. Bullsugar, like love is in the eye of the beholder.  ;D

I now regret posting that comment as we are all entitled to opinions no matter what anyone else thinks of them.

I suppose without the extreme right wing views of Baldy and the extreme left wing views of others life, as far as politics is concerned anyway, would be boring.



Title: Jeremy Corbyn dodges TV debates after disastrous BBC interview
Post by: baldy on November 28, 2019, 04:00:50 AM
 Telegraph:  https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/11/27/jeremy-corbyn-dodges-tv-debates-disastrous-bbc-interview/?WT.mc_id=tmg_share_em (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/11/27/jeremy-corbyn-dodges-tv-debates-disastrous-bbc-interview/?WT.mc_id=tmg_share_em)


Jeremy Corbyn has decided not to take part in two television debates this week, it has emerged, in the wake of his disastrous interview with Andrew Neil on BBC One.

Sky News was forced to cancel a leaders’ debate on Thursday after Mr Corbyn refused to sign up to the programme, and a seven-way debate between party leaders on the BBC on Friday night will feature Rebecca Long-Bailey, the shadow business secretary, in Mr Corbyn’s place.

Sky sources confirmed they had called off the programme after both Boris Johnson and Mr Corbyn declined to take part in a three-way debate  with Jo Swinson, the Liberal Democrat leader.

Mr Corbyn will instead appear in a Channel 4 debate on climate change this evening, which is unlikely to stray on to controversial issues such as Labour’s handling of anti-Semitism.

The Prime Minister is understood to have snubbed the programme amid ongoing tensions with Sky, which in turn is refusing to allow Michael Gove to stand in for him.

Mr Corbyn’s absence from the debates suggests his duties are being scaled back, with polls showing he is the least popular opposition leader of the past 45 years.

It stands in contrast to his approach to the 2017 election campaign, when he was judged to have performed strongly after agreeing to a BBC seven-way leaders debate, that was boycotted by Theresa May.

Lord Kerslake, a senior adviser to Labour, hinted earlier this week that Mr Corbyn could be replaced as party leader after the election as the price of a power-sharing deal with the SNP and Liberal Democrats.

However, allies of Mr Corbyn last night dismissed suggestions he was stepping back from the spotlight, pointing out that climate change was one of Labour’s top priorities.

One said Ms Long-Bailey, who is increasingly seen as Mr Corbyn’s favourite to succeed him, was well qualified to represent the party.

“She’s a prominent member of the shadow cabinet whose brief covers a very wide range of areas,” the source added. “She’s well placed to speak on Brexit, the economy and the climate crisis.”

Separately, a row erupted last night after the BBC revealed that it had not yet confirmed a date for Mr Johnson to be interviewed by Mr Neil, who is widely regarded as the corporation’s toughest interviewer.

John McDonnell, the shadow chancellor, claimed that Mr Johnson was “running scared” and trying to delay his interview until after the “main postal vote period”.

He added: “The BBC is hardly covering itself in glory in this election. It should’ve fixed all dates in advance.”
Title: Re: General Election 2019
Post by: Michael on November 28, 2019, 07:39:11 AM
It's the TORYGRAPH I would expect no less.
Title: Re: General Election 2019
Post by: baldy on November 28, 2019, 07:54:41 AM
Yes, but it's still totally true.
Title: YouGov Poll: Tories on course to win 68-seat majority
Post by: baldy on November 28, 2019, 08:02:15 AM
Telegraph:   Tories on course to win 68-seat majority as poll predicts party will get 359 seats compared to 211 for Labour


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/11/27/tories-course-win-68-seat-majority-poll-predicts-party-will/?WT.mc_id=tmg_share_em (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/11/27/tories-course-win-68-seat-majority-poll-predicts-party-will/?WT.mc_id=tmg_share_em)



The Conservatives are on course for their best general election result since 1987 by winning a 68-seat majority, a major poll predicted last night.
YouGov predicted that a swathe of Labour seats in the “red wall” of the north and Midlands will fall to the Tories, giving Boris Johnson 359 seats, 42 more than in 2017, with Jeremy Corbyn losing 51 of his 2017 seats to end up with just 211 MPs.
The poll put the Tories on 43 per cent of the vote, 11 points ahead of Labour on 32.
The Liberal Democrats’ poor performance in the election means they will lose MPs, according to the survey, with the Brexit Party failing to pick up any seats at all.
The YouGov poll of 100,000 people predicts the results in individual seats using a method that correctly forecast the 2017 hung parliament, making it the most significant poll of the general election so far.
A 68-seat majority would be the biggest for the Conservatives since Margaret Thatcher’s 102-seat majority in 1987, and Labour’s worst showing since 1983.
In total, YouGov predicts that 44 Labour seats will fall to the Tories, including the Bolsover seat held by Dennis Skinner since 1970 and the West Bromwich East seat vacated by Labour’s deputy leader Tom Watson.
Other predicted gains include Barrow and Furness, Wakefield, Ashfield, Bishop Auckland, Dudley North, Derby North, Bassetlaw, Great Grimsby, Stoke-on-Trent North, Stoke-On-Trent Central, Crewe and Nantwich, Darlington, Sahemhorpe, Workington and Ipswich and Leigh.
Labour is predicted not to gain a single seat from any other party. Of the 76 Labour-held seats with a majority of fewer than 8,000, Jeremy Corbyn’s party is behind in 43.
The largest predicted swings are in pro-Leave constituencies, with a 9 per cent swing in Mr Watson’s seat and a similar swing in Don Valley, held by Caroline Flint.
While the Liberal Democrats are expected to gain one more seat than they did in 2017, giving them 13 MPs, they are set to lose all of the MPs who have defected to the party during the course of the last parliament, who had boosted their numbers to 20. The SNP is predicted to take 43 seats, an increase of eight.
Boris Johnson’s predicted vote share of 43 per cent is similar to that achieved by Theresa May in 2017, but Labour is losing sufficient votes to other parties to hand him a healthy majority, YouGov forecasts.
Title: Labour poll panic! - Mail Online
Post by: baldy on November 28, 2019, 08:05:23 AM
Mail Online:   Labour poll panic! Jeremy Corbyn changes tactics in Leave-voting heartlands as survey that foretold 2017 result shows Boris Johnson is on track for a huge 68-seat majority - but nervous Tories warn against 'complacency'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7732953/Sweeping-68-seat-majority-forecast-Boris-Johnsons-Tories.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7732953/Sweeping-68-seat-majority-forecast-Boris-Johnsons-Tories.html)
Title: Boris Johnson heads for big majority - The Times
Post by: baldy on November 28, 2019, 08:08:30 AM
The Times:  https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/mrp-election-poll-boris-johnson-heads-for-big-majority-qrqsq9f7r?shareToken=0798e6f812abbb3c9f7434958bd9f957 (https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/mrp-election-poll-boris-johnson-heads-for-big-majority-qrqsq9f7r?shareToken=0798e6f812abbb3c9f7434958bd9f957)

MRP election poll: Boris Johnson heads for big majority

Only survey to forecast hung parliament in last election predicts Tories will win 359 seats — with Labour down to 211


Boris Johnson is on course for a comfortable majority, according to a polling model that accurately predicted the election outcome two years ago.

The Conservatives would win 359 seats, Labour 211, the SNP 43 and the Liberal Democrats 13 if the election were held today, according to a seat-by-seat analysis based on current polling by YouGov for The Times.

That result would give Mr Johnson a majority of 68 as he made gains at Labour’s expense, particularly in the Midlands and north of England. Labour would suffer its second-worst postwar defeat, with Jeremy Corbyn’s total two above Michael Foot’s in 1983.

However, the projected margins of victory are below 5 per cent in at least 30 seats predicted to be Conservative. YouGov cautions that a fall from the present Tory national poll lead of 11 percentage points to less than 7 could yet deny Mr Johnson a majority.

Based on more than 100,000 interviews over seven days, the pollster has modelled voting preferences based on age, gender, education, past vote and other factors, along with local political circumstances. The multilevel regression and post-stratification (MRP) model is then applied to the demographic make-up and individual characteristics of each of the 632 constituencies in Great Britain to provide projected vote shares for each seat. It was used for the first time in a general election in 2017. The Times published a YouGov-MRP poll that accurately predicted a hung parliament when many other polls were pointing to a big Tory majority ten days from the vote on June 8.

Today’s version is based on national vote shares of the Conservatives on 43 per cent, Labour 32, Lib Dems 14 and the Brexit Party 3. The pollster will repeat the model before election day using updated results. The analysis suggests that this time Mr Johnson is holding off the Lib Dem threat in most Tory seats that voted to stay in the EU and will not suffer anything like the wipeout in Scotland that some had predicted.

Of the 58 seats predicted to change hands on December 12, 44 are Tory gains from Labour. However, Labour is within 3 points of retaining 16 seats the model predicts it would lose now.
The SNP would recover some of its losses in Scotland, taking eight seats from rival parties under the model. It predicts that the Tories would lose two of their 12 Scottish seats and Labour would lose five.

The analysis suggests that the casualties for Labour could include Dennis Skinner in Bolsover and Caroline Flint in Don Valley despite their support for Brexit in the Commons. For the Tories Zac Goldsmith appears doomed in Richmond Park.

Mr Johnson is forecast to hold Uxbridge & South Ruislip comfortably.

If the prime minister achieves this result he will have torn down the “red wall” of Labour seats from Great Grimsby to the Vale of Clwyd in a realignment of politics. His aide, Dominic Cummings, warned against complacency, writing in his blog: “Trust me, as someone who has worked on lots of campaigns, things are MUCH tighter than they seem and there is a very real possibility of a hung parliament.”

Mr Corbyn is on course to lose 51 constituencies. Labour will win 211 seats — two more than Foot — and fail to make any gains, according to the YouGov modelling, which predicts the party will lose 44 seats to the Conservatives, five to the SNP and one to the Liberal Democrats.

The result would represent a repudiation of Mr Corbyn’s push for a second EU referendum and decision to be “neutral” on whether he would campaign for Leave or Remain. All bar two of the potential Tory gains from Labour voted Leave in 2016.

The biggest Tory swings are forecast in constituencies with the strongest Leave vote. In West Bromwich East the analysis suggested that the party was on course to overturn a 7,713-vote majority; in Don Valley they are expected to overturn a majority of 5,169.
Six Labour marginals that have never voted Conservative would turn blue, as would at least nine seats that have been Labour since the Second World War.

The Lib Dems are forecast to make one net gain on 2017. The SNP would make gains but the Scottish Tories would avoid the wipeout strategists feared. The Brexit Party wins no seats.

The modelling suggests that Labour seats with majorities below 8,000 begin to fall in north Wales, where the Tories are forecast to win four seats: Vale of Clwyd, Clwyd South, Wrexham and Ynys Mon.

The biggest Tory gains are forecast to be in the Midlands, where it could pick up nine seats from Labour. In the West Midlands, the potential Conservative gains include Dudley North, West Bromwich East, West Bromwich West, Wolverhampton North East and Wolverhampton South West.

In Nottinghamshire, the modelling suggests the Tories would pick up Ashfield and Bassetlaw. In Derbyshire potential gains include Bolsover and Derby North. In Staffordshire the party is predicted to gain three seats: Newcastle-under-Lyme, Stoke-on-Trent Central and Stoke-on-Trent North.

In Cheshire the model projects that the Tories would win three seats — Crewe & Nantwich, Warrington South and Weaver Vale. Bury South and Leigh in Greater Manchester were also expected to turn blue, and Blackpool South and Hyndburn in Lancashire.

There are also significant gains in Yorkshire, with the Tories picking up three seats in South Yorkshire — Don Valley, Penistone & Stocksbridge and Rother Valley — and four in West Yorkshire including Dewsbury, Keighley and Wakefield. Bishop Auckland, Darlington and Stockton South are all expected to turn blue in the northeast.
Under the model the Lib Dems would gain only one seat on the 12 it won at the last election — far fewer than the 20 it had when parliament was dissolved this month thanks to a spate of high-profile defections. No defectors would win their seats, the analysis suggests.


Title: Re: General Election 2019
Post by: Shizzy on November 28, 2019, 08:51:38 AM
I think the last few elections have taught us one thing. Pollsters nowadays are unable to predict UK elections with any great certainty.
Title: Re: General Election 2019
Post by: baldy on November 28, 2019, 09:29:41 AM
More like it taught us that most pollsters, who just take samples across the country with little seat by seat analysis, get it wrong.

This latest poll is by the one pollster that got the last election result correct.

Having said that, things could still change and I am expecting the Tory poll lead to fall towards polling day, but only a little .... not least because postal voting has already started.

My prediction is a comfortable Boris win with a 20 - 50 seat majority.
Title: Re: General Election 2019
Post by: DORIAN on November 28, 2019, 18:29:51 PM
i will challenge your prediction  for £20 and give £20 to a charity selected fro, the WTF selected on the WTF.......
Title: Re: General Election 2019
Post by: baldy on November 28, 2019, 18:45:31 PM
Well, if I risked £20, I'd want the winnings myself. As you've basically challenged me to give away my winnings, and therefore risk a lose or lose scenario, I'll decline.

I'm happy to acknowledge my win or miss on here, though you've not said what your prediction is. I would expect you to be a Tory, but I suppose as you are a Remoaner this may mean you will abstain this time ??

I suppose you will hope for Boris to lose so that there is a chance that Remain eventually occurs ...
Title: Re: General Election 2019
Post by: DORIAN on November 29, 2019, 09:47:32 AM
Honestly, assuming everything. very dangerous
quite simply a wager, where your view of majority is being challenged . simple,
Title: Boris Johnson widens lead over Jeremy Corbyn to 10 points
Post by: baldy on December 01, 2019, 12:04:20 PM
Telegraph:  https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/11/30/boris-johnson-widens-lead-jeremy-corbyn-10-points-amid-fall/?WT.mc_id=tmg_share_em (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/11/30/boris-johnson-widens-lead-jeremy-corbyn-10-points-amid-fall/?WT.mc_id=tmg_share_em)


Boris Johnson has widened his lead over Jeremy Corbyn to 10 points, amid a further fall in support for the Brexit Party, according to a poll.
A Savanta ComRes survey for The Sunday Telegraph puts the Conservatives on 43 per cent, a two point rise since early last week.
Labour and the Brexit Party have each dropped by one point to 33 per cent and 4 per cent respectively, while the Liberal Democrats remained on 13 per cent.
Writing in The Sunday Telegraph,  Sir John Curtice, the veteran psephologist, said the findings suggested that an "apparent erosion of the Conservative position may now have come to a halt."
The survey of 2,025 people also demonstrated support for a tough stance on the second phase of the Brexit negotiations.
Some 41 per cent said that if the EU and the UK fail to agree to a trade deal by the end of next year, the UK should end the transition without an agreement - compared to 27 per cent who disagreed.
On Friday Mr Johnson confirmed that a Conservative-led government would remain in a "state of readiness" for a no-deal Brexit - an outcome Mr Corbyn has said must be taken off the table.
The poll also showed that a majority of voters believed that the Conservatives would handle the economy competently.
By contrast only 27 per cent agreed that a government led by Mr Corbyn would handle the economy competently, while 54 per cent disagreed.

According to the survey, 70 per cent of those who voted to leave the EU currently support the Conservatives, while Labour is the most popular party among Remain voters, receiving 48 per cent of their votes.
Around 23 per cent of those who voted Remain in 2016 are planning to vote for the Liberal Democrats. Last week Sir John warned that the Conservatives "seemingly comfortable" lead would "soon be reduced if the Remain vote were to coalesce behind Labour."
However, 54 per cent of those intending to vote LibDem are not confident that a Labour government under Jeremy Corbyn would handle the economy competently, the Savanta ComRes poll found.
The survey was conducted online between Wednesday and Thursday.
The current vote shares would result in a Conservative majority of 42, according to projections by Electoral Calculus.
The Brexit Party would not win any seats.
On Saturday, Sir Vince Cable, the former Lib Dem leader, admitted that the party's policy to revoke the Article 50 notice period for leaving the EU, was "a distraction and not a very helpful one."
Title: Tory lead narrows to nine points as Labour offers massive ‘free’ giveaways
Post by: baldy on December 02, 2019, 10:41:19 AM
Mail Online: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7746125/Tory-lead-Labour-narrows-nine-points.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7746125/Tory-lead-Labour-narrows-nine-points.html)
Title: Boris Johnson's party is up one point with a 12 point lead over Labour
Post by: baldy on December 03, 2019, 14:44:53 PM
A poll to settle Tory nerves? Boris Johnson's party is up one point with a 12 point lead over Labour as Jeremy Corbyn's surge shows signs of stalling


Mail Online:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7750491/Labour-stalls-polls-Tories-12-point-lead.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7750491/Labour-stalls-polls-Tories-12-point-lead.html)
Title: Re: General Election 2019
Post by: Michael on December 03, 2019, 18:46:25 PM
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2406336696347467&set=gm.733673237131051&type=3&eid=ARD3TZNPyegFGY844JYs7LljUh6Hhr4ZNEZwJ2PdY87HXDz56QbY2t16J1CSP-8nRS2xA49Gvdc42ZcE&ifg=1
Title: Re: General Election 2019
Post by: baldy on December 03, 2019, 23:23:46 PM
Looks like Chuka (LibDem candidate) will get chucked in the Cities of London and Westminster constituency.

Mark Field (recent Conservative MP) is not standing again and I suppose this is a strongly remain seat anyway, not least because City workers/ bankers etc tend to hate BREXIT
Title: Pound hits two-year euro high as traders bet on Tory victory
Post by: baldy on December 04, 2019, 15:22:23 PM
Telegraph:  https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/12/04/pound-hits-seven-month-high-traders-bet-tory-victory/?WT.mc_id=tmg_share_em (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/12/04/pound-hits-seven-month-high-traders-bet-tory-victory/?WT.mc_id=tmg_share_em)



Title: Labour bible the New Statesman refuses to back Jeremy Corbyn + calls him unfit
Post by: baldy on December 04, 2019, 15:27:55 PM
Labour bible the New Statesman refuses to back Jeremy Corbyn at the general election and calls him 'unfit to be prime minister'

Mail Online:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7755617/Labour-bible-New-Statesman-labels-Jeremy-Corbyn-unfit-prime-minister.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7755617/Labour-bible-New-Statesman-labels-Jeremy-Corbyn-unfit-prime-minister.html)











Title: Re: General Election 2019
Post by: DORIAN on December 05, 2019, 09:45:01 AM
its great that we have Westburys own Nick Robertson [beer] i think there is no need to renew my TV  License
Title: Re: General Election 2019
Post by: baldy on December 05, 2019, 10:02:36 AM
its great that we have Westburys own Nick Robertson [beer] i think there is no need to renew my TV  License

Your muddles seem to know no bound.  You must mean Nick Robinson (a BBC presenter / journalist).

You are required by law to have a BBC licence if you watch any channel on TV (whether you watch the BBC or not) or if you use the BBC iPlayer app on any digital device.

It is a criminal offence not to have a BBC licence if you watch any live TV or catchup TV.
Title: Re: General Election 2019
Post by: baldy on December 05, 2019, 10:06:41 AM
Michael

Can you please explain, as a senior executive of the South West Wiltshire Constituency Labour Party Association, why the latest leaflets for the Labour candidate have in bold letters on the front page the word "Re-elect" before the name of your candidate when actually she's never been elected to parliament before?

Surely, this is a deeply misleading attempt to suggest that your candidate is trying to get back into Parliament as if she held the seat at some time beforehand?
Title: Corbyn is a disgusting terrorist-supporting traitorous racist
Post by: baldy on December 05, 2019, 12:20:34 PM

Mail Online: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7759109/SEVENTY-Labour-whistleblowers-condemn-Jeremy-Corbyn-Labours-anti-Semitism-crisis.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7759109/SEVENTY-Labour-whistleblowers-condemn-Jeremy-Corbyn-Labours-anti-Semitism-crisis.html)

Corbyn's disgusting behaviour in supporting terrorists and the Russians is fact and beyond doubt.

This latest fact proves he is a disgusting racist anti-semite. He should be locked up.

All Corbyn supporters are guilty of supporting his causes too - ie. racism (especially Jews), supporting terrorists and treachery against the UK. 


The Labour party is now a vile disgusting organisation that should be closed down.
Title: Re: General Election 2019
Post by: Michael on December 05, 2019, 13:32:43 PM
Michael

Can you please explain, as a senior executive of the South West Wiltshire Constituency Labour Party Association, why the latest leaflets for the Labour candidate have in bold letters on the front page the word "Re-elect" before the name of your candidate when actually she's never been elected to parliament before?

Surely, this is a deeply misleading attempt to suggest that your candidate is trying to get back into Parliament as if she held the seat at some time beforehand?
A genuine mistake, the template used to produce this leaflet was incorrectly approved and the leaflet sent out from central office by post was in this small detail incorrect.
Title: Re: General Election 2019
Post by: jimkerr on December 05, 2019, 13:35:19 PM
A man of Peace and has fought against racism all is life winner of two peace Prize's unlike Bojo and the Tory Party he can't be bought the Tories are given Millions by Rich Russian's and by Rich money men.

Daily Mail, The Sun and Daily Express are all run by Right wing rich men who don't want the labour Party in to bring the billions of stashed away money back into to this country they will do and say all kind of rubbish and its funny you got to laugh even the rich jews don't want Labour in funny not seen any media about the Jewish People who support Corbyn in the media they cant find anything on the Man that he has said anything Racist yet Boris a known Racist wtf you support.
Title: Re: General Election 2019
Post by: baldy on December 05, 2019, 13:46:05 PM
Michael

Can you please explain, as a senior executive of the South West Wiltshire Constituency Labour Party Association, why the latest leaflets for the Labour candidate have in bold letters on the front page the word "Re-elect" before the name of your candidate when actually she's never been elected to parliament before?

Surely, this is a deeply misleading attempt to suggest that your candidate is trying to get back into Parliament as if she held the seat at some time beforehand?
A genuine mistake, the template used to produce this leaflet was incorrectly approved and the leaflet sent out from central office by post was in this small detail incorrect.


Michael

I agree it is a minor matter.

It reminds me of a serial liar within the local Conservatives in Westbury who in the 2003 district elections asked voters to "return" him to the district council when actually he'd never been elected there before.  I imagine he thought he was playing on the word "return" in the sense of returning officer who is responsible for the count and returning or announcing the result but really he was simply lying (as he was often prone to do).  His and Bill Braid's lies about me led to me resigning from the Conservatives in 2005.
Title: Re: General Election 2019
Post by: baldy on December 05, 2019, 13:49:35 PM
A man of Peace and has fought against racism all is life winner of two peace Prize's unlike Bojo and the Tory Party he can't be bought the Tories are given Millions by Rich Russian's and by Rich money men.

Daily Mail, The Sun and Daily Express are all run by Right wing rich men who don't want the labour Party in to bring the billions of stashed away money back into to this country they will do and say all kind of rubbish and its funny you got to laugh even the rich jews don't want Labour in funny not seen any media about the Jewish People who support Corbyn in the media they cant find anything on the Man that he has said anything Racist yet Boris a known Racist wtf you support.


Jim


I don't think Boris is a racist. I think he is very critical of some religions and I agree with what he says especially about Islam. Actually, I think I've gone further than Boris's quite tame remarks about the silly way some Muslim women look like letter boxes in the sense that I agree with France which has banned this sort of nonsense headgear..
Title: Re: General Election 2019
Post by: jimkerr on December 05, 2019, 14:03:00 PM
He's a fool Racist is just one thing Tank Top Bum Boys ? imagine if Corbyn had said anything like he as it's not a Fair country when the likes of Johnson gets away with things because he's a Clown and yet Corbyn Can't even miss the Queens Speech at Christmas without it being big News unfair Media needs to be sorted out and I hope he gets in to sort this unfair uncaring crap country out.
Title: Re: General Election 2019
Post by: baldy on December 05, 2019, 14:17:23 PM
Well, tank top bum boys is both accurate and rude but it's not racist. It's homophobic.
Title: Corbyn personally accused of 11 acts of anti-Semitism + Labour Cover-up
Post by: baldy on December 05, 2019, 16:11:35 PM
Telegraph:  https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/12/05/jeremy-corbyn-personally-accused-11-acts-anti-semitism-leaked/?WT.mc_id=tmg_share_em (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/12/05/jeremy-corbyn-personally-accused-11-acts-anti-semitism-leaked/?WT.mc_id=tmg_share_em)


It's now clear that the Labour Party is nothing short of being vile and stuffed with scum.  All decent members of the Labour Party should resign in disgust and seek to form a new party that avoids the Corbynite cancer that has spread throughout Labour under the evil leadership of JC.
Title: Re: General Election 2019
Post by: DORIAN on December 05, 2019, 16:12:53 PM
thank you for your usual ignorant retort yes, I did did mean Nick Robinson, whom  i believe is articulate in creating his own soundbites, as opposed to copying and pasting other learned editors theirs
Title: Re: General Election 2019
Post by: baldy on December 05, 2019, 16:19:20 PM
thank you for your usual ignorant retort yes, I did did mean Nick Robinson, whom  i believe is articulate in creating his own soundbites, as opposed to copying and pasting other learned editors theirs


Dorian


You clearly have a problem understanding really straightforward things. I am not pretending to be a journalist. I am simply posting in this forum as a member of the forum and obviously I'm pointing at news articles from reputable sources amongst other things. This is not new in this forum. It's been going on since the whole forum started.  It's you who mentioned Nick Robertson and tried to suggest that I'm behaving like a journalist.
Title: Re: General Election 2019
Post by: Pete on December 05, 2019, 17:55:07 PM
A man of Peace and has fought against racism all is life winner of two peace Prize's unlike Bojo and the Tory Party he can't be bought the Tories are given Millions by Rich Russian's and by Rich money men.

Daily Mail, The Sun and Daily Express are all run by Right wing rich men who don't want the labour Party in to bring the billions of stashed away money back into to this country they will do and say all kind of rubbish and its funny you got to laugh even the rich jews don't want Labour in funny not seen any media about the Jewish People who support Corbyn in the media they cant find anything on the Man that he has said anything Racist yet Boris a known Racist wtf you support.

My god! have you heard of punctuation?
Title: Re: General Election 2019
Post by: John GL on December 05, 2019, 22:37:41 PM
He's a fool Racist is just one thing Tank Top Bum Boys ? imagine if Corbyn had said anything like he as it's not a Fair country when the likes of Johnson gets away with things because he's a Clown and yet Corbyn Can't even miss the Queens Speech at Christmas without it being big News unfair Media needs to be sorted out and I hope he gets in to sort this unfair uncaring crap country out.

Mr Corbyn isn't being criticised for not listening to the Queen's Christmas message.  He's being criticised for pretending he listens to it when clearly he doesn't.
Title: Re: General Election 2019
Post by: Bob DeBilda on December 06, 2019, 08:07:09 AM

Mr Corbyn isn't being criticised for not listening to the Queen's Christmas message.  He's being criticised for pretending he listens to it when clearly he doesn't.


Like we all do?
Title: Re: General Election 2019
Post by: Bob DeBilda on December 06, 2019, 08:11:48 AM
A man of Peace and has fought against racism all is life winner of two peace Prize's unlike Bojo and the Tory Party he can't be bought the Tories are given Millions by Rich Russian's and by Rich money men.

Daily Mail, The Sun and Daily Express are all run by Right wing rich men who don't want the labour Party in to bring the billions of stashed away money back into to this country they will do and say all kind of rubbish and its funny you got to laugh even the rich jews don't want Labour in funny not seen any media about the Jewish People who support Corbyn in the media they cant find anything on the Man that he has said anything Racist yet Boris a known Racist wtf you support.

My god! have you heard of punctuation?

 :o There’s at least two full stops in there.  ;D
Title: Re: General Election 2019
Post by: jimkerr on December 07, 2019, 23:39:21 PM
lol Bob.

Here's a poem (Not by me)

Twas the night before Christmas, and all through the nation,
There was misery, poverty and great deprivation
Some stockings were empty, some fridges were bare,
The heating turned off, little money to spare.

Boris Johnson was cosy, a quaffing champagne,
Cognac and Port so he’s feeling no pain,
Stuffing his chops on goose flesh and gammon,
Caviar, Stilton and the finest smoked salmon.

The homeless are shivering in cardboard containers
Ex-Servicemen, youngsters, both Leave and Remainers
The nurses and doctors all still searching for beds
With a shortage of staff, of money and meds

The Moggs singing carols with moguls and bankers,
Hedge funders, financiers and various w*nkers
Admiring his baubles and pulling his crackers,
Rejoicing that he's got us all by the knackers.

Your Gran's in the corridor, still on the trolley
While the Chancellors counting the last of his lolly
And Grandad’s in pieces, stemming his tears
Though they’ve paid their dues these past sixty years

But hey, Goves on the sherry and is quite off his tits
While his missus is battered and doing the splits
And Drunken Smith is a singing along with the Pogues
With the rest of the mob and a few Russian rogues

And the kids who are dreaming of gifts in the morning
Won’t get them- their benefits were stopped without warning
While those whose dosh is in off-shore accounts
Will be rubbing their hands as the grand total mounts

And the Waspi woman alone in her kitchen
Has long given up on Dancer and Blitzen
She was robbed of her pension, they don’t give a sugare
That she’s freezing and hungry on Christmas Eve night

And now, here’s the end of my last festive story

Don't forget to vote- unless you're a Tory.
Title: Poll: Tories down to eight-point lead - majority of 14 predicted
Post by: baldy on December 08, 2019, 10:09:39 AM
Sunday Telegraph: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/12/07/general-election-poll-tories-eight-point-lead/?WT.mc_id=tmg_share_em (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/12/07/general-election-poll-tories-eight-point-lead/?WT.mc_id=tmg_share_em)


The Conservatives' lead has fallen back down to eight points over the last week, according to a poll which puts the party on course for a majority of 14.
A Savanta ComRes poll for The Telegraph suggests the gap between the Tories and Labour has narrowed to match the lead Boris Johnson enjoyed shortly after the formal start of the General Election campaign.
However half of those surveyed (46 per cent) said they would feel worried if they woke up on Friday to find that Jeremy Corbyn was the new prime minister. Some 38 per cent said they would feel worried to find that Mr Johnson was to remain in Downing Street.
The poll put the Conservatives on 41 per cent and Labour on 33 per cent, matching The Telegraph's first Savanta ComRes poll of the campaign, which was published on November 16.
The Conservatives have dropped by one point and Labour have gained a point since an earlier survey published by The Telegraph on Wednesday. The Liberal Democrats remained on 12 per cent and the Brexit Party's share of support stayed steady at 3 per cent.
On Saturday the results of a separate Savanta ComRes survey, for Remain United, emerged which pointed to just a six point lead for the Conservatives. However it was begun two days before the separate survey for this newspaper, suggesting it may be more dated. Unlike the poll for The Sunday Telegraph, it did not quiz all respondents based on the candidates standing in their particular constituencies - a method known as a full ballot prompt.
The survey comes ahead of a significant campaigning push by the Conservatives in the final days of the campaign, with Mr Johnson expected to criss-cross the country as the party's headquarters simultaneously spend hundreds of thousands of pounds on digital advertising. On Friday night a YouGov poll found that the public was split by 52 per cent to 48 per cent on whether the BBC Leaders debate was won by Mr Johnson or Jeremy Corbyn.
The Conservatives are hoping to make gains in Leave-voting areas in the Midlands and the North, where projections suggest they could win Labour-held seats such as Ashfield and Bolsover, in the East Midlands.
The proportion of respondents planning to vote for the Conservatives was above the national average in Yorkshire and Humberside (42 per cent) and the East Midlands (44 per cent) as well as the South East and South West, which are home to many of the party's traditional supporters.
In the North East and North West, 39 per cent and 32 per cent respectively said they were planning to vote for the Conservatives, compared to 31 per cent in the North East who said they voted for the Tories in 2017, and 28 per cent in the North West. Labour's share of support was highest in the North East, at 45 per cent, according to the poll.
Overall, more than four in five (84 per cent) of those who voted for the Conservatives in 2017 said they were intending to support the Tories this week, while three-quarters of 2017 Labour voters intend to vote for Labour on Thursday.
Asked to choose from eight emotions, respondents were more likely to feel worried, dismayed or sad if they wake up on Friday to find that Mr Corbyn had become prime minister.
Some 44 per cent said they would feel dismayed if the Labour leader entered Downing Street, as opposed to 35 per cent who said they would be dismayed if the winner was Mr Johnson.
More than a third of voters said they would be optimistic if Mr Johnson remained prime minister, but only 21 per cent said they would be excited - compared to 24 per cent for Mr Corbyn.
Savanta ComRes surveyed 2,034 British adults online on between Dec 4 and Dec 5. Chris Hopkins, the pollster's head of politics, said: “The margins are incredibly tight at this stage of the election, where the Conservative lead over Labour dropping or increasing by one or two points could be the difference between a hung parliament and a sizeable Conservative majority.
"As we’ve seen in recent elections, the final few days of the campaign could be crucial and may still define which leader finishes 2019 as Prime Minister.”
Title: Labour anti-semitism: secret files of shame exposed
Post by: baldy on December 08, 2019, 10:18:29 AM
Sunday Times:     https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/exposed-the-secret-labour-files-of-shame-mwhhfkknv?shareToken=66e8fa7d0e11e747e098c95528e2448e (https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/exposed-the-secret-labour-files-of-shame-mwhhfkknv?shareToken=66e8fa7d0e11e747e098c95528e2448e)


Labour’s failure to stamp out rampant anti-semitism in the party can be exposed today in a massive leak of documents from its own disciplinary department.
The secret files, seen by The Sunday Times, reveal the party is still overwhelmed with complaints about anti-Jewish racism that have been left unresolved for months or years. Most have resulted in lenient punishments or no sanctions, according to the documents, despite Jeremy Corbyn’s election campaign claims of zero tolerance.
They provide the first comprehensive insight into how Labour has handled the anti-semitism scandal over the past 18 months.
In a leaked audio recording from the party’s disciplinary committee in late October, a Labour official complains that more than 130 cases remain outstanding even though the “vast majority” were reported to the party 18 months ago. One unresolved case had been on Labour’s books for more than three years, according to the recording.
Some of the cases in the files are disturbing, with Labour members likening Jewish people to killer viruses, labelling them “bent nose manipulative liars” and calling for the “extermination of every Jew on the planet”.
One Labour member from Nottingham wrote that “Jews represent a viral infection that need to be completely eliminated” and said he wanted the “complete extinction of all Jews”. It took more than 10 months for the party to expel him after his case was first reported in 2018.
Lord Macdonald, a former director of public prosecutions, said the member in question had clearly committed a racial hate crime. Labour refused to say whether it had referred him to police.
Another member was allowed to stay in the party after allegedly confronting a veteran councillor at a Labour meeting and shouting that he “licked the bum of Jews for money”.
The secret files show half of 100 anti-semitism cases between last summer and this May involved a warning or no action at all. Some members were told to attend “diversity training” although Labour has not set up such a scheme despite promising to do so.
Other members were let off without punishment this year despite posting comments about Holocaust denial and distortion, sharing articles about “a Jewish agenda to obtain the conquest of the gentile world” and saying it was justified to “have a dim view of the Jews”.
The disclosures blow apart claims made during the election campaign by Corbyn that anyone responsible for anti-semitism was “suspended or expelled” from the party.
The leaks paint a picture of the party’s disciplinary process in disarray. According to one memo by Anna Dyer, head of the party’s national constitutional committee, the party’s own lawyers have advised that Corbyn’s much-vaunted internal reforms for fast-tracking cases “present dangers for the party and could be challenged in court”.
Dyer said the lack of communication from the party leadership about the changes was “surreal”.
The evidence in the files shows the severity of some of the anti-semitism in the party.
A Labour member from Birmingham was subject to a complaint after posting on Facebook that the Red Sea was the “ideal destination” to get rid of the Jews “who are a cancer on us all” before adding, “no need for gas chambers anyway gas is so expensive and we need it in England”. It took eight months for him to be expelled from the party after he was suspended by Labour last year.
Another female member based in East Sussex described Sajid Javid, the chancellor, as a “treacherous choc ice” for making comments that were supportive of Israel. She is said to have resigned from the party before a hearing could take place.
Other Labour members’ posts include claims that: “IRA murderers took their cue from Jews”; Jews were behind the 9/11 attacks; and the family of the former Jewish Labour MP Margaret Hodge were “rancid and “all in it together . . . the family of Israel”.
Last night, Dame Louise Ellman, the former Labour MP for Liverpool Riverside, described the evidence as “disturbing” and said: “This reduces to rubble my party’s claim that anti-semitism in the party is being dealt with.
“It is beyond belief that members can make statements of Holocaust denial and call for Jews to be completely exterminated yet remain in the party for months or years or receive a mere slap on the wrist.”
Labour said claims about the large numbers of unresolved complaints were “categorically untrue” and said people would now be expelled in weeks rather than months as a result of new powers introduced by Corbyn.
“This is proof of the robust action the party is taking to root out anti-semitism,” it added. “No other party has introduced rapid expulsion processes.”
Title: Re: General Election 2019
Post by: jimkerr on December 08, 2019, 10:47:06 AM
Well done baldy keep up the good work for the Right Wing papers which most people don't read. And if I see another so called Poll I will scream even YouGov is owned by a rich tory backer.
Title: Another Poll
Post by: baldy on December 08, 2019, 11:57:01 AM
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Mail Online:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7767951/Tories-scent-victory-just-four-days-go.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7767951/Tories-scent-victory-just-four-days-go.html)


 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: BBC Poll Tracker: How do the parties compare?
Post by: baldy on December 09, 2019, 10:10:16 AM
BBC:  https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49798197
Title: Re: General Election 2019
Post by: Bob DeBilda on December 09, 2019, 10:24:11 AM
I thought we were Brexiting to get rid of all these Polls  ;D
Title: Re: General Election 2019
Post by: Michael on December 09, 2019, 16:17:25 PM
Thinking of voting tactically?
 https://www.tactical.vote/all?fbclid=IwAR0wxUNa2qotHWNlMOE-1oY0HBDQ4RmJTYRffr-oEqp0GW20_l6BjkpynmM
Title: Re: General Election 2019
Post by: DORIAN on December 09, 2019, 16:59:45 PM
i do not dislike Andrew Murrison in any way whatsoever, when we fighting for the Bypass he came here for afternoon tea and was a true gent, but i have to ask myself, as our local Mp, what has he achieved for our town, and i would say precious little, although he has been most successful in his role for foreign affairs.
so if i voted tactically who would i let in, and that is my issue, i have never not voted Tory and maybe i will vote for Andrew, but this is not only about BREXIT, its about the whole bigger picture. THE NHS is being used as tool  but when you think we are all living...or existing longer the government cannot use our incomes to prop up the never ending pot of health care.
maybe those who are in a comfortable wage bracket should be given a tax break if they align to a Private Health Care.
as for Corbyn talking of abolishing public schools, utter bollocks... my parents worked hard to give me a good education
lib Dems, ?
we shall see
Title: Re: General Election 2019
Post by: baldy on December 09, 2019, 17:49:36 PM
WTF  -  it was the LibDems who first campaigned against the Westbury Bypass and caused it to become a national anti-new roads campaign due to all the others who jumped on the anti-eastern bypass bandwagon.

TBH - It's a safe Tory seat here anyway and it's a strong Leave area. Also, there's no clear anti-Brexit candidate for tactical anti-Brexit voters ... so there will be no change of MP here.

The interesting thing will be to see how well the Labour and LibDem candidates do, not least because in recent times the LibDem vote has been declining in favour of the Labour candidate so that Labour, instead of coming third have been coming in second.

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_West_Wiltshire_(UK_Parliament_constituency) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_West_Wiltshire_(UK_Parliament_constituency))
Title: Re: General Election 2019
Post by: DORIAN on December 10, 2019, 16:08:14 PM
they were not the primary reason for the failure and you know that
Title: Re: General Election 2019
Post by: baldy on December 10, 2019, 16:36:18 PM
Yes, but I did not say that.
Title: Re: General Election 2019
Post by: Michael on December 11, 2019, 16:40:40 PM
I have to ask myself, as our local Mp, what has he achieved for our town, and i would say precious little, although he has been most successful in his role for foreign affairs.

Dr Murrison MP for Westbury and the succeeding SW Wilts Constituency since 2001 has done very little for our communities in all that time, he's had no need to, he's had a guaranteed seat and has taken this seat for granted.
Andrew Murrison's campaign in this election has been about Brexit, but it's not all about Brexit, it is about affordable housing for rent and purchase, it's about a diminishing health services, homelessness and rough sleepers, and incidentally among these rough sleepers nationally there are 6000, yes that's six thousand, ex military personnel who have served this country.
Our constituency is one of poor and expensive public transport, inadequate provision for the young, and food banks, which in many cases are having to be used by people on low wages in full time employment.
Westbury has been ignored and overlooked by a Conservative Unitary Council, and remains at the back of the queue when it comes to any form of financial help from that source.
So think of all this when you cast your vote, because under the Tories there is more of the same to come, particularly in the devolution of services being forced on the town's council with very little extra funding, continuing the austerity policies that have brought us to where we are now, and think of this when council taxes rise to cover the loss of revenue no longer supplied by national government.
It really is time for a change.
Title: Re: General Election 2019
Post by: baldy on December 11, 2019, 19:29:12 PM
Michael

I'm curious to know what you think Dr Murrison MP could have done for the local constituency that you think he has not done in his time as our local MP.

I've followed him from when he was first elected to the Westbury Constituency (when I was a member of the local Conservative Association, indeed I was Secretary of the Westbury branch until 2005) and noticed that he was constantly busy in the constituency attending events (maybe not ones you would go to), popping up in the local papers commenting on this or that but more particularly I've tracked what he actually does in parliament, which is quite easy since he started to use Twitter a few years ago to broadcast his main actions.

I recall that he has lobbied Wiltshire Council on all sorts of topics, though as he has no vote in the council or any real influence (like any MP) he can't make anything happen unless the council agrees. When Tony Blair took us to war in Iraq, he voted against the war saying that there was no proper evidence of WMDs (weapons of mass destruction) and fell out with many local Tories who thought he took the wrong position. Actually, I've noticed that he has turned out to be right on that and many other issues over the years. More recently, apart from military and foreign affairs (he is/was a Defence and Foreign Office Minister), he has made all sorts of statements in parliament on NHS and related health issues including the idea of a royal commission to sort care services etc on the basis that it needs cross party working to get any progress at all ...

I'm not sure what any MP can do in their constituency apart from lobby on issues and hope the higher authorities or people in the cabinet agree. He's certainly done his bit. It's hardly his fault if the Labour party failed to do much for Westbury under Blair and Gordon (is a moron) Brown (the one who sold half our gold reserves at the bottom of the market for a stupidly low price) or indeed under the Conservatives given that they had to clear up the economic mess left by Labour for most of the last decade.

In recent times, I've noticed that he took up a Leave / BREXIT position early on. I'm not sure what else the majority of local electors (MOST by far are Tory voters and are Leavers) would expect him to realistically do.

NB. Dr Murrison is a former Royal Navy surgeon, so his expertise on medical and military matters is pretty well beyond doubt and is useful in parliament.

Just as an aside, I noticed that he was doubtful about buying the new F35s because he thinks all military fighter and bomber aircraft will be pilotless drones quite soon.  I've since noticed that all sorts of commentators are now saying the same just as we are buying the bulk of the new F35s ...
Title: Re: General Election 2019
Post by: Shizzy on December 13, 2019, 07:39:34 AM
Well, Labour under Corbyn has managed to perform worse in this election than Michael Foot managed to do. Will they learn from this, it sounds unlikely listening to John McDonnel.
Title: RESULT FOR SOUTH WEST WILTSHIRE CONSTITUENCY
Post by: baldy on December 13, 2019, 07:58:32 AM

General Election result confirmed for South West Wiltshire constituency
 


The General Election result for the South West Wiltshire constituency have been confirmed.
 
The result is as follows:
 
  Andrew Murrison – Conservative Party: 33,038
           
The turnout was 55,141, which equates to 71%
Title: Re: General Election 2019
Post by: baldy on December 14, 2019, 04:37:07 AM
Well, Labour under Corbyn has managed to perform worse in this election than Michael Foot managed to do. Will they learn from this, it sounds unlikely listening to John McDonnel.

They are incapable of leading anything or anyone out of a paper bag EXCEPT when they occasionally choose an exceptionally bright and capable leader who straddles the centre ground of UK politics eg. Tony Blair.

I think the strongest reason why the Labour Party is set up to keep failing is the ridiculous mostly-non MP committee structure it has at the top which cripples the ability of the parliamentary Labour Party (ie. its MPs) to choose their own leader and then which cripples the ability of the leader to actually set policy and lead.

No serious organisation can lead by a committee made up of people who are not actually the executives holding power (in this case the MPs). It is well known in business (ie. Its axiomatic) that effective leadership or planning or design does not come from committee decisions. What is needeed is a strong and bright and trusted leader who is chosen by the the senior executives   who are actually responsible for running things and, in the case of a political body, allowing the broad membership to chose from a shortlist of 2 or perhaps a very few sanctioned by the executives (ie. the MPs) who know the person on a day to day basis ..

It is simply bizarre and stupid for Labour to let its membership override its MPs on the choice of party leader, which is how Corbyn became leader and why most of the Labour MPs refused to serve in his cabinet and why Corbyn largely ended up appointing poor quality dregs to his front bench ...

It's a totally incompetent and laughably bizarre and stupid way to do things .... and it will continue to cripple the Labour Party with useless leaders most of the time ....

It's also the reason why the Conservatives expect to keep winning most of the time.  In recent decades, the only time Labour stood any chance of actually winning a GE was when it had a truly strong and intelligent leader who led on the centre ground.

Laughably, the Labour Party is now in the grip of utter numbskull loony lefties who are all tied up with Corbynism / Marxism which is based on all sorts of nonsense including being pro-Palistinian (ie. Islamic) and so anti-semitic.

The Labour Party is a disgusting organisation largely filled with disgraceful terrorist sympathisers, anti-semites, really quite nasty thugs plus quite a lot of rather decent people who are too stupid to see the problems with the party or to organise themselves into a New Labour party again       ...

It's quite possible for the Tories to be in power for the next 10-15 years now if they rule sensibly and grow the economy and spread the wealth around better than occurred under Labour ...
Title: Re: General Election 2019
Post by: baldy on December 14, 2019, 14:57:11 PM
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Title: Re: General Election 2019
Post by: Maxi on December 14, 2019, 19:10:44 PM
So congratulations if you wanted Boris Johnson as pm.
Please don’t celebrate too much though as you have work to do. You see us remoaners have spent three and a half years now telling you brexit was wrong but we’ve finally and completely lost. There’s pretty much nothing we can do now to stop it.
So, it’s over to you leavers. You need to get yourselves into gear to make it work. We need to see some of these benefits you’ve been able to see yet unable to properly articulate since 2016.
I hope you don’t mind but I’ve taken the liberty of writing a to do list for you.

1. Get brexit done please. When we say done we mean as promised so we’ll be looking for trade deals with the EU, Japan, Australia and Canada etc. In fact there’s about 40 deals covering 70 countries that need to be done please. Also with the US that doesn’t involve the nhs or chlorine. We want what you promised us. That was that we’d be no worse off than when we were an EU member. You need to crack on as this was promised by the end of Jan. You have seven weeks.

2. The nhs. We want the cash that was promised please. £350 million per week is about 72000 nurses so please get recruiting. This is important.

3. Scotland. Ok so these guys were promised they would remain in the EU if they remained in the UK. They’re pretty pissed. In fact they’ve voted almost exclusively for the SNP so they might want to leave. Equally you said the UK wouldn’t split so you’ll need to both grant Scotland its independence and keep it as part of the United Kingdom. Good luck squaring this circle. NB. This is urgent.

4. Northern Ireland. Oooookay then. You’ve really buggered this one up. There’s a chance they could look to reunify with the republic now because they didn’t want to brexit. Regardless you’ve caused instability there where we and they can least afford it. NB. This is also urgent.

5. The economy. Johnson keeps talking about unleashing the potential of the country. We need to see this soon if possible. We don’t want to see the downturn that “project fear” predicted. We don’t want to be poorer. We don’t want to lose out.

6. You’ll also need to “bring the country back together”. This might be tricky as a lot of people seem to be really really angry with each other.

That’s as far as I’ve got. Should keep you busy. So go and get all british about things. Roll up your sleeves, pull your socks up, dig deep and deliver what you promised.

And remember if you fail to deliver any of this it’s on you, brexit and Tory voters. You wanted this so badly and now you have it. We honestly hope we’re wrong and that you can make a success of this but if you can’t then we will forever tell you that we told you so.”
Title: Re: General Election 2019
Post by: baldy on December 14, 2019, 19:15:18 PM
I certainly believe the last 10 words there.