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In the News / Re: Do we really care about Brexit
« Last post by Maxi on April 20, 2019, 08:30:00 AM »
From The Financial Times own Pages

Not Project Fear But Project Fact

   For those in despair with Britain’s political class, I bring good news. Its top economists, those without a political axe to grind, made excellent Brexit forecasts both before and shortly after the June 2016 referendum. Politics might be in meltdown, but economics (this time) has been on the money.

The lesson is simple: listen to economists, but not to those peddling a political line. With such a good record over the first two-and-a-half years of the Brexit saga, it is not surprising the mainstream is still singing a similar tune about the long-term Brexit effects as they were three years ago. It will hurt, they say, potentially quite a lot.

No deal is the worst outcome; staying in the EU is best. Putting magnitudes on these general predictions, NIESR estimates the UK would miss out on a further 2.8 per cent of national income with a close relationship, rising to 5.5 per cent in a reasonably orderly no-deal scenario. These are noticeable losses.


https://www.ft.com/content/534e108a-4651-11e9-b168-96a37d002cd3
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In the News / Re: Do we really care about Brexit
« Last post by Maxi on April 20, 2019, 08:02:03 AM »
Richard Tice “ran his own distressed debt advisory business until late 2009”.Distressed debt” is a branch of what many see as “vulture capitalism“, and involves buying up companies that have run into trouble, often because of dire economic conditions. The Guardian has described how this typically works:
“The funds circle struggling firms and buy their debt at a discount to gain control of the business. Usually hedge funds or proprietary desks at large investment banks, the funds may turn their debt into equity in a restructuring, gaining a stake or full control of the firm, or sell the assets in a liquidation, receiving a higher price for the debt than they paid for it.”

Many think that the economic chaos caused by a Hard Brexit will create the ideal conditions for “distressed debt” specialists such as Tice.


https://badboysofbrexit.com/2018/01/16/richard-tice/
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In the News / Re: Do we really care about Brexit
« Last post by baldy on April 20, 2019, 07:34:21 AM »
Rubbish. You're just making this up.
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In the News / Re: Do we really care about Brexit
« Last post by Bob DeBilda on April 20, 2019, 06:10:13 AM »
Ruth Lea and Richard Tice are both extremists in their views and anyone who accepts them as experts on what will happen with a no deal Brexit is gullible to say the least.

Ruth Lea’s “expert” views on climate change for example are extraordinary.

Richard Tice is a proven liar.

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In the News / Re: Do we really care about Brexit
« Last post by baldy on April 19, 2019, 23:04:12 PM »
...based on what?

... views on what you think will happen! Or hope will happen...

The views and opinions of real experts such as Ruth Lea, Richard Tice etc

People who are paid well for their advice or who have set up firms and know what they are doing...

As I've said before, I'm not interested in those views coming from people influenced by those afraid of short=term risk who simply worry about next year's bonus ... or those overly affected by remoaners and who are actually part of Project fear (eg. Bank of England Governor who actually gets most of his forecasts wrong - fact - and is appointed by the PM).
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In the News / Re: Do we really care about Brexit
« Last post by Bob DeBilda on April 19, 2019, 22:10:52 PM »
And the crap you spout is based on what?

Your own extreme views on what you think will happen! Or hope will happen. If anyone is stirring crap based on crap its you
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In the News / Re: Do we really care about Brexit
« Last post by baldy on April 19, 2019, 11:12:13 AM »

The Brexit Party wishes to bring about a hard right no deal with eu,
which will bring about Economic Chaos in this country, and Trouble happening In northern Ireland over the Border Issue,
and the break up of the union.
if that happens,The people who wanted this will not be forgiven.

More Project Fear crap ...

A clean BREXIT will do no more than cause minor hiccups in the short term ... and in any event a responsible Government or PM would properly prepare and plan for the event.

Clearly, this needs to include sorting necessary tariffs and subsidies to protect and support our farmers and food security etc.

In the long run the UK's economy will blossom as it escapes the economic sclerosis that is overcoming the whole EU and engages more with the faster growing parts of the world.

I don't care what misquotes you try to use about Nigel, he's been pretty consistent in saying that we would be better off outside the EU for a wide range of reasons, not least because of more control over immigration and the ability to do more trade deals with faster growing parts of the world.

I am disgusted with Remoaners who simply stir crap based on crap ...
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In the News / Re: Do we really care about Brexit
« Last post by Maxi on April 19, 2019, 09:16:16 AM »
The Brexit Party wishes to bring about a hard right no deal with eu,
which will bring about Economic Chaos in this country, and Trouble happening In northern Ireland over the Border Issue,
and the break up of the union.
if that happens,The people who wanted this will not be forgiven.


Nigel Farage never promised that Brexit “would be a huge success”, he said on LBC radio. “I never said it would be a beneficial thing to leave and everyone would be better off,” said Farage – who has repeatedly said we would be better off – “just that we would be self-governing.”

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/shortcuts/2018/jul/24/two-50-or-100-years-when-do-leavers-think-brexit-will-pay-off
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In the News / Re: Do we really care about Brexit
« Last post by baldy on April 18, 2019, 20:19:31 PM »
Well, I'm no Tory fan any more., though I'll tend to work with and agree with true Tories as usual.

I salute Nigel.

I'm waiting to see if the Brexit Party becomes a fully fledged UK-wide independence party with Councillors, because I'll jump at the chance to see out my last 2 years at Wiltshire Council as a party member. As a member of a minority party, I'd easily qualify to remain in the Independent Group at Wiltshire Council.

In truth, rebranding as a Brexit Party councillor would actually make no difference to anything at all for me or Wiltshire Council or my work but it would make political chit chat with other councillors or anyone interested in politics a lot more interesting
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In the News / Re: Do we really care about Brexit
« Last post by Shizzy on April 18, 2019, 19:14:46 PM »
Not great news for the Tories either
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