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Telegraph:  https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/10/04/boris-johnson-pins-hopes-hungary-veto-brexit-delay/?WT.mc_id=tmg_share_em


Boris Johnson hopes Hungary will veto a Brexit extension as the Government said in court that he would comply with the law and request one.
The Benn Act requires the Prime Minister to send a letter to Brussels asking for an extension to Article 50 if he fails to agree a deal by Oct 19.
However, on Friday night, EU sources said senior ministers had reached out to the Hungarian government for assurances it would veto any request for a delay.
An Article 50 extension must be agreed by all 27 other EU leaders.
On Friday night the Prime Minister doubled down on his commitment to leave the EU on Oct 31, saying: “New deal or no deal – but no delay.”
His statement came hours after the Government’s legal team submitted papers to the Scottish Court of Session saying for the first time he would send the letter as stipulated by Parliament.
The Scottish case was brought by campaigners seeking to force Mr Johnson to comply with the Benn Act.
Lord Pentland, the judge ruling on the case, indicated a failure to obey the commitment given to comply with the Benn Act would amount to contempt.
However Steve Baker, chairman of the Eurosceptic European Research Group, on Friday said he was satisfied the documents submitted to the Scottish Court did not stop the UK from leaving the EU on Oct 31.
He said: “All this means is that Government will obey the law. It does not mean we will extend. It does not mean we will stay in the EU beyond Oct 31. We will leave.”
Meanwhile Robert Buckland, the Justice Secretary, attacked the “Brexit-blocking Benn Act”.
Writing for The Telegraph, Mr Buckland said: “We have compromised and we hope the EU will come to the table in that same spirit of compromise.” He added: “The UK public wants to move on from the Brexit bickering.”
On Friday Government sources suggested that the Prime Minister would both comply with the Act while also finding a way around it.
A senior Downing Street source said the Act “only imposes a very specific narrow duty concerning Parliament’s letter requesting a delay – drafted by an unknown subset of MPs and pro-EU campaigners – and which can be interpreted in different ways.
But the Government is not prevented by the Act from doing other things that cause no delay, including other communications, private and public.
People will have to wait to see how this is reconciled.
The Government is making its true position on delay known privately in Europe and this will become public soon.”
Michael Gove was among three senior ministers to hold separate meetings on Thursday with the Hungarian foreign minister.
The Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster, who is in charge of no-deal preparations, held discussions with Peter Szijjarto and the Hungarian ambassador at the Cabinet Office.
On Friday night a Cabinet minister told The Daily Telegraph a veto was now the “only way to stop the effects of the Benn Act”.
A Government source said Viktor Orbán, Hungary’s prime minister, was the “most sympathetic [EU leader] to our cause.”
However, few in Brussels suggested that Hungary would break ranks with the other member states due to fears of reprisal.
While Mr Orbán’s governing party, Fidesz, has repeatedly clashed with Brussels over its domestic agenda, Hungary remains one of the biggest net recipients of EU funding.
Dominic Grieve, leading efforts in Parliament to stop no-deal, on Friday called the veto plan “very high-risk”, adding that Hungary voting against the bloc would “cause a seismic rift”.
Fearing Mr Johnson could use the veto option, campaigners seeking the Scottish court order asked the judge to also ban the Prime Minister from encouraging European allies to use a veto to torpedo an extension.
Cabinet ministers have previously said another option would be for Mr Johnson to send an accompanying document alongside a request to extend Article 50, setting out Government opposition to a three-month delay, although senior legal experts warned that this would be unlawful, as it would represent an attempt to circumvent the requirements of the Benn Act.
The Government appeared to rule out challenging the Benn Act in court.
One insider claimed on Friday evening that Dominic Cummings, the Prime Minister’s chief of staff, had now shifted to seeking a “political solution”.
Meanwhile, the EU has engaged on Mr Johnson’s backstop proposals and will resume talks on Monday.
An EC spokesman said that it had given the UK its reaction on the proposals and had asked further questions.
But the spokesman added: “Michel Barnier debriefed [EU ambassadors] yesterday, where member states agreed the UK proposals do not provide a basis for concluding an agreement.”
A UK spokesman said: “We have made a significant offer this week. Our proposals represent a fair and reasonable compromise. We want a deal and talks continue on Monday on the basis of our offer.”
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Westbury News & Discussion / Re: Why are people such asses?
« Last post by Michael on October 04, 2019, 07:18:09 AM »
There really is no excuse, Westbury Town Council provide poo bags, they can be collected from the Laverton.
 
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Westbury News & Discussion / Re: Why are people such asses?
« Last post by Pete on October 04, 2019, 00:35:12 AM »
Yeah West End. There's a bin not more than 50 yards away from there.  >:(
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Westbury News & Discussion / Re: Why are people such asses?
« Last post by Damnit on October 03, 2019, 22:09:04 PM »
Oh haha I thought you were going to burst into song like name that tune for a moment Baldy...sorry I do not walk that way Pete but if I see him I will send him your way the filthy mongrel...& I'm not talking about the  the dog 😀
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Westbury News & Discussion / Re: Why are people such asses?
« Last post by baldy on October 03, 2019, 21:44:37 PM »
West End.


I'd recognise that driveway from any angle.
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Westbury News & Discussion / Re: Why are people such asses?
« Last post by Damnit on October 03, 2019, 21:41:49 PM »
Will keep an eye out whilst walking, what area is this? Makes my blood boil, its not difficult to carry a few bags whilst walking a dog & plenty of bins around not least their own at home
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The agenda includes the following:

Update from Western Gateway Sub-National Transport Body
Allan Creedy - Head of Service: Sustainable Transport at Wiltshire Council will update the Area Board on the long term strategy for the improvements to the A350 in Wiltshire.

The public are welcome to attend and to ask questions to the Head of service for major road projects. He knows what is happening with obtaining funding for a Westbury Bypass, which involves several possible funding sources ...

This item will be quite early on in the meeting so best to get your seat by 7pm.


Meeting details:  https://cms.wiltshire.gov.uk/ieListDocuments.aspx?CId=173&MId=12340
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Westbury News & Discussion / Why are people such asses?
« Last post by Pete on October 03, 2019, 20:31:31 PM »
If anyone knows this chap, can you ask him to come collect the festering dog turd that he didn't bother picking up...

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In the News / Re: Do we really care about Brexit
« Last post by Bob DeBilda on October 02, 2019, 09:53:02 AM »


He said that Boris will definitely not sign it and repeated that Boris is not going to sign it and then he refused to explain how Boris would comply with the law and still not sign it.



BoJo being told what to do?


Dominic Cummings was intervewed in the street last night and he said that Boris will announce what he will do just before 17 October. Dominic Raab will undertake PMQs tomorrow for Boris, making it clear that Mr Raab is the likely Conservative deputy leader or next person to be PM in a situation where Boris resigns as PM but the Tories are still the largest party. Mr Raab can in theory be a PM whilst not being leader of the Tories.




BoJo being told what he has to do again?



The rabble of opposition parties cannot organise themselves to pass a motion of no confidence in the Tories ...    but, if ever any other PM was appointed who is not a Tory, the Tories could put down a no confidence motion and might quickly bring down the new PM thus forcing the Queen to call an election if one has not already been called and voted on and agreed.

It is possible that a Mr Raab PM would then also refuse to sign the Surrender letter and so on ....

I see a situation where very quickly the Queen is forced to close parliament and ensure a new election, and this might even prevent Article 50 being extended ... so the EU will be absolutely sick of it all and will simply agree the new deal terms Boris is about to put or they will let us crash out .... they are sick to their gills of it all ....

Are you playing a new game?  = Fantasy politics  ;D
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In the News / Re: Do we really care about Brexit
« Last post by baldy on October 01, 2019, 20:26:39 PM »
Not sure whether to smile or blush at that ...

I've been thinking more about what Boris will do on or just before 17 October to get out of being forced to sign the Surrender letter.

Dominic Cummings was interviewed in the street last night and he said that Boris will announce what he will do just before 17 October. Dominic Raab will undertake PMQs tomorrow for Boris, making it clear that Mr Raab is the likely Conservative deputy leader or next person to be PM in a situation where Boris resigns as PM but the Tories are still the largest party. Mr Raab can in theory be a PM whilst not being leader of the Tories.

The rabble of opposition parties cannot organise themselves to pass a motion of no confidence in the Tories ...    but, if ever any other PM was appointed who is not a Tory, the Tories could put down a no confidence motion and might quickly bring down the new PM thus forcing the Queen to call an election if one has not already been called and voted on and agreed.

It is possible that a Mr Raab PM would then also refuse to sign the Surrender letter and so on ....

I see a situation where very quickly the Queen is forced to close parliament and ensure a new election, and this might even prevent Article 50 being extended ... so the EU will be absolutely sick of it all and will simply agree the new deal terms Boris is about to put or they will let us crash out .... they are sick to their gills of it all ....
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